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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 10:49:03 PM   
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Jumping in.. like post 148?

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 10:49:15 PM   
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Baiting isn't necessarily an attack either...

A person has choice NOT to jump, rise or otherwise take the bait.

Politicians, Religious Figures and other Public figures are ripe for baiting. If they say or do something stupid OR something others may find stupid, then general mocking or attempts at mocking are part of what they signed up for.

All true.  But baiting of other posters is not the same thing.  Once or twice, ok.  Post after post, thread after thread?  Uncalled for, on either side.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 10:50:19 PM   
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It wouldn't hurt to focus more on what's said, and less on who said it.

I think this is exactly VAA's point.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 10:58:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Why the FUCK do you even care???

Because it obviously gets your goat, and he continues to play with you.

You are allowing him to set the terms of contact, and you continue to play in his sandbox.

Just quit it.  Ignore the barbs about it.  You are doing nothing but keeping it alive and going.

Firm


I will admit and concede that the "medic" does represent the most accurate,up to date,realworld example of today`s rightist,or at least the leadership.

Extreme,shameless,fearmongering and Islamaphobic,as riduclous as bellicose and belligerent.

For that, I`m thankful.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:02:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Why the FUCK do you even care???

Because it obviously gets your goat, and he continues to play with you.

You are allowing him to set the terms of contact, and you continue to play in his sandbox.

Just quit it.  Ignore the barbs about it.  You are doing nothing but keeping it alive and going.

Firm



wait a sec Firm....

He brought it up.... I have pretty much held my tongue until tonight but I had had enough.

Call a 57 year old guy pretending to be a 24 year old lesbian a fake and the RATH of the site comes down
on the poster.... but 57 has been following a a specific poster on these forums for months now and every time
that poster comments on the US military, 57 starts with the fake crap and mocking of his "perceived' lack
of military service.

If this is not the thread to point that out....then what is?

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:10:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Why the FUCK do you even care???

Because it obviously gets your goat, and he continues to play with you.

You are allowing him to set the terms of contact, and you continue to play in his sandbox.

Just quit it.  Ignore the barbs about it.  You are doing nothing but keeping it alive and going.

Firm



wait a sec Firm....

He brought it up.... I have pretty much held my tongue until tonight but I had had enough.

Call a 57 year old guy pretending to be a 24 year old lesbian a fake and the RATH of the site comes down
on the poster.... but 57 has been following a a specific poster on these forums for months now and every time
that poster comments on the US military, 57 starts with the fake crap and mocking of his "perceived' lack
of military service.

If this is not the thread to point that out....then what is?

I'm not saying you shouldn't respond - in moderation - or even report him officially.

I'm just saying that I've found the best course of action is to calmly address the issue once.  Or twice.  Or perhaps even a third time. 

And then, either ignore it (put him on hide), or if he continues even while you ignore it, document the stalking and quietly report it - without fanfare or without posting about it - to the moderators.

It will quit.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:16:01 PM   
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Maybe a good rule of thumb would to not claim to have pulled hudreds of GI`s off the battle field,on the netz,unless you can prove it,on the netz.

To be fair,....and for FDD`s sense of fair-play,if wilber shows up in Vagas with his HD papers and some of the accommodations he got for saving those hundreds of American soldiers and shows them to me in person,I`ll take back everything I said and apologize, sincerely.

Added:

And will post it here.





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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:16:08 PM   
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Well... I do not believe in hiding or ratting out officially or otherwise.

BUT

The Moderator's who's job it is, (volunteers as they may be) have continued to ignore it.

The question them becomes....

Why?


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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:20:40 PM   
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My question, who will be moderating in Vagas?

And How?

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:20:56 PM   
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quote:

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Maybe a good rule of thumb would to not claim to have pulled hudreds of GI`s off the battle field,on the netz,unless you can prove it,on the netz.

To be fair,....and for FDD`s sense of fair-play,if wilber shows up in Vagas with his HD papers and some of the accommodations he got for saving those hundreds of American soldiers and shows them to me in person,I`ll take back everything I said and apologize, sincerely.


Again.... he should not have too

YOU are making the accusations. You bear the burden of proof.

But I am more interested in asking you about this....

"Maybe a good rule of thumb would to not claim to have pulled hudreds of GI`s off the battle field,on the netz,unless you can prove it,on the netz."

Again.... this is an anonymous fetish web site.... fantasy rules here... so explain why its a good rule of thumb?

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:22:46 PM   
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He's offered to prove it, and you refuse to accept the offer.

You're claim he is lying is based on faulty math, he wasn't "years to young" to have served in Vietnam. He claims to have enlisted in 1970, which depending on when his birthday is could put him at age 18.

How do you account for those facts?


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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:24:04 PM   
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If the fantasy of I am a vietnam medic is acceptable, is not the fetish to say no you aint equally as acceptable?

What makes one good to go and one not?

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:28:52 PM   
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He's offered to prove it, and you refuse to accept the offer.

You're claim he is lying is based on faulty math, he wasn't "years to young" to have served in Vietnam. He claims to have enlisted in 1970, which depending on when his birthday is could put him at age 18.

How do you account for those facts?





Do you know anything about the military?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3778879/mpage_2/key_ait/tm.htm#3779009

Nobody who does can square that with this, as a recent example. Unless he has a Citation and Medal of Honor in military pudpounding (advanced two year degree) prior to his AIT course. I don't know that there is a MOS for that.



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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:30:57 PM   
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Age is hard to determine since three of his profiles that I know of have different ages.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:34:37 PM   
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but he claims recently to be 58 in this thread, which would make him 20 in 1972 if he is an early, at least in this guise.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:37:42 PM   
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Before anyone starts calling me goody-two-shoes ...

I've been involved with plenty of flame wars here, and on other forums.  I am not guiltless nor perfect by any means.

But I do attempt to adhere to a couple of different strategies when it comes to such stuff.

If you know much about game theory, I'm a proponent of using the "tit for tat with forgiveness" when it comes to unreasonable posters.  What this translates to in the forums is more like "forgiveness with tit for tat".  In other words, I generally try to ignore all the little slights, barbs and insults if I'm trying to actually engage in a conversation. 

Occasionally, however, there may be a poster or two who simply does not wish to do anything but insult, bait and flame.

I classify them as either a "possible human being" or "damaged beyond reach" in my mind.  "Damaged beyond reach" isn't a classification I arrive at quickly, either, but when I do ... they go on hide, or I simply do not read or respond to anything they have to say (much).

If they are a "possible human being", I attempt a few olive branches.  I attempt to find some area of commonality, some connection.  Sometimes that works, sometimes it works temporarily.

When it doesn't work, or when it doesn't work well enough, I'll go on the attack. 

I'll watch them post (not stalking, just paying close attention to them when they are in a thread that I'm involved or interested in) and wait until they do or say something that I am very confident that I can prove them on the wrong side of the facts and get them dead-to-rights.  Then I pour it on ... but usually slowly, giving them rope enough.

When they go with their usual BS insults, I counter-attack, in a way and method and with considered wording that gets their attention.  Whether or not they intend to do so, many people almost automatically assume that a failure to respond to a personal insult is showing weakness (bad assumption, but often unconscious).

When I attack, I attempt to be both "cool as a cucumber" and as pointed as I can.  Then I back off (sometimes after one or two more post, where I show disregard and contempt for anything they have to say, but no direct insults).

Then I wait a while, and attempt again to find some commonality.  Occasionally, I have to attack again, and sometimes again.

Ron was probably my most difficult subject to reach, since I've been on the board. 

My current project is Awareness.  We've already had one dustup in the "Random" forum, in a thread that was pulled.  The last before that was flcouple, who I eventually just put on hide.

My goal isn't to harm or hurt.  My goal is to open up communications and get past the "forum face" that many people adopt and actually get to know them.

It's one of the reasons that we are planning the P&R Summit in Las Vegas: I think - despite the forum acrimony - that most long term posters here are pretty good people, and I'd like to extend our perceptions of each other as individuals and human beings.

There.  You have some of my secrets and an understanding of how and why I sometimes post the way I do.

This is powerful knowledge.  Don't abuse it.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:38:34 PM   
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Credibility is a fickle thing,especially on an anonymous board with anonymous posters.

It has to at least ring true.

If I said I saved hundreds(or one) of people in the WTC on 9/11,I better be prepared to prove it or at least have a clipping.

If he had said he was a medic in th war,it would have passed un-noticed.

Then to lay it on with the heroics.Fetish/fantasy site or not,that`s just bullshit.

Sorry if I can`t prove it in court.

As much as I dis-like Rich,the Heretic and his politics,I would be most disappointed if he turned out not to be authentic.I mean that,for what it`s worth.



But I`m serious,if he shows me his papers(sounds eerily familiar)in Vagas,I`ll buy the guy dinner and thank him for his service.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:40:09 PM   
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Maybe a good rule of thumb would to not claim to have pulled hudreds of GI`s off the battle field,on the netz,unless you can prove it,on the netz.

To be fair,....and for FDD`s sense of fair-play,if wilber shows up in Vagas with his HD papers and some of the accommodations he got for saving those hundreds of American soldiers and shows them to me in person,I`ll take back everything I said and apologize, sincerely.

Added:

And will post it here.






my eyes caught that so I did not bother to read the rest


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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:40:15 PM   
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his AIT course. I don't know that there is a MOS for that.
Thanks for the further details, Owner59 wasn't providing them. Unfortunately none of it makes sense. What do AIT and MOS stand for.

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RE: Hmmm..."An update on Posting Style in this cat... - 9/28/2011 11:43:39 PM   
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My question, who will be moderating in Vagas?

And How?

Me.

By the dent of my patience (and my Aussie Canungra Stick) and by my powerful personality. 

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