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LookieNoNookie -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (9/30/2011 5:06:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/food/is-this-chicken-too-sexy-peta-thinks-so-2572348/ I thought the photo was funny, myself... FAR too sexy! Children could see that shit!

Termyn8or -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (9/30/2011 7:26:13 PM)
"they die in their naturally appointed time (when left alone)." That does it, from now on I eat eggs and seeds. I mean we ARE pro abortion, or at least pro choice right ? If we don't eat those eggs there will be a chicken overpopulation and they will starve, like deer. Hmmmm, where can I get some deer eggs ? T^T

Hillwilliam -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (9/30/2011 7:28:35 PM)
If it pisses off PETA, Im all for it.

LafayetteLady -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 2:36:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady To me, the health, well being and lives of HUMANS is now and will always be more important than the life of an animal. Actually, I agree with you there. Not because I think humans are inherently deserving of more care and respect, but because, being human, I naturally identify and feel empathy for my fellow humans. As much as I love dogs and turtles and kittens, if it was a choice between saving my child from a sinking ship or saving my dog, I would save my child. It doesn't mean the life of the dog has less value. It just means that - shit, it's my kid. Of course our own species is going to come first for our concern. I am skeptical of any vegetarian who claims that they would not kill a pig if he/she was starving and needed to eat, or wouldn't use medicine that was tested on animals to prevent pain and suffering. The goal, in part, of a vegetarian diet is to reduce consumption of animals, which thereby reduces the amount of animal by-products available. There are likely other ways to accomplish what we need, but right now, using animals and animal products is how it's done and there's no reason for companies to choose to look at different ways of making things happen unless they are hit in the pocketbook. If they need to pay higher prices for by-products because there is less consumption of animals, then they will consider alternative man-made sources. In the interim, I take reasonable steps in today's society to feel better about my choices (not eating meat), and I will not forego medication that may save my life based on its origin. I will not sacrifice my life for the life of an animal, but I will continue to make choices that will hopefully lead to one day providing more freedom and better choices for everyone. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans. If that is what you choose to eat, have at it. I DO have a problem with PETA and the way they push their message. I DO have problems with people who try to push others into eating the way they do, and feel the same about us meat eaters who try to change vegs into meat eaters. Funny you mention the bolded part. When Katrina hit and everyone was complaining about pets not being allowed on the little boats they were using to rescue stranded people, I said essentially the same thing, and I had two dogs at the time. In that situation, if someone was on the boat with their dog, cat or whatever and that left no room for me or my son, I would have told them that my son and I were getting on that boat and either their pet or them would be going overboard. After living in a house with 9 dogs for the past few months though (none of which are very well behaved), I don't think I ever want to have another dog as long as I live, lol. I've thought about trying a vegetarian diet, but....I really just like things like steak and bacon too much.

Kaliko -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 6:56:57 AM)
I used to be a fan of PETA, actually. Okay...a dues-paying member. (That was long ago, when I was first exploring vegetarianism and was a member of every animal rights group there is. I won't even mention the other one that hopefully none of you have ever heard of. Way worse than PETA.) I have to admit, I don't much like how they choose to gain attention. I think the things they choose to concentrate their efforts on makes them look kind of stupid. That being said, there is an argument for the need for the actions of the radical in any significant movement. It is interesting to consider something this way...let's take my child. If she was taken from me and kept in captivity for eventual consumption, no one would blame me one bit for gathering up whatever army I had to and breaking and entering and rescuing her. How about if it was someone else's child? Or your grandmother? The value of a human life in captivity against their will is very clear to many people. Now, if you are someone who believes that human life is worth no more or less than any other animal's life, then you would understand more the radical actions that PETA feels is necessary. It's a giant leap for a person to take, and many people just can't take that leap (because yeah, it does seem a little crazy - I get that) to apply the exact same value on an animal's life as a human's. Many vegetarians, and certainly vegans, can probably see at least some value in the actions of PETA, but...I only wish that it wasn't PETA doing it. I feel that PETA does the animal rights movement an injustice by their actions because they do leave such a bad taste in people's mouths. (Pun intended.) As a vegetarian (struggling vegan) I feel like I want to say "Thanks for your help, but...uh....no thanks."

LillyBoPeep -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 5:18:11 PM)
the only real impression i got of PETA happened when i lived out east where their headquarters is. they went through town letting people's pets out of fences. so many animals were hit in the street or never heard from again. smooth move. after that, i decided i hated them.

Kaliko -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 5:40:15 PM)
Ugh...my God. Yeah...they're not really helping the cause. (Though, a few years back, there was a rather disgusting game of Donkeyball being planned for my workplace. I'm not in a position to bring my personal beliefs into work, and so I did not, but I was very happy to see PETA come in and stop it. And they did it reasonably.)

LafayetteLady -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 7:51:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko I used to be a fan of PETA, actually. Okay...a dues-paying member. (That was long ago, when I was first exploring vegetarianism and was a member of every animal rights group there is. I won't even mention the other one that hopefully none of you have ever heard of. Way worse than PETA.) I have to admit, I don't much like how they choose to gain attention. I think the things they choose to concentrate their efforts on makes them look kind of stupid. That being said, there is an argument for the need for the actions of the radical in any significant movement. It is interesting to consider something this way...let's take my child. If she was taken from me and kept in captivity for eventual consumption, no one would blame me one bit for gathering up whatever army I had to and breaking and entering and rescuing her. How about if it was someone else's child? Or your grandmother? The value of a human life in captivity against their will is very clear to many people. Now, if you are someone who believes that human life is worth no more or less than any other animal's life, then you would understand more the radical actions that PETA feels is necessary. It's a giant leap for a person to take, and many people just can't take that leap (because yeah, it does seem a little crazy - I get that) to apply the exact same value on an animal's life as a human's. Many vegetarians, and certainly vegans, can probably see at least some value in the actions of PETA, but...I only wish that it wasn't PETA doing it. I feel that PETA does the animal rights movement an injustice by their actions because they do leave such a bad taste in people's mouths. (Pun intended.) As a vegetarian (struggling vegan) I feel like I want to say "Thanks for your help, but...uh....no thanks." I actually don't find their "I would rather go naked than wear fur" ads offensive. Those are innovative and catchy. I do find destroying a person's property by throwing paint on it offensive. I do find Lilly's example extremely offensive and think they should have been charged with animal cruelty for their actions (isn't that ironic). I don't think that we need radicals to affect change. They don't bring positive publicity to the cause. Pro-lifers blowing up abortion clinics do nothing to help the anti-choice people. In fact, all they do is make the world think all pro-lifers are crazy (I kind of think they are). I congratulate you are trying to become a vegan. Of course, I might not feel that way if we were having dinner together and you got belligerent about my eating meat. A restaurant that I worked in once, a girl (who was an aquaintance) came in and when she reached for the stuffed mushroom appetizer, I quickly told her not to touch them. I knew she was a vegetarian and they were made with beef broth. I support your right to not eat or wear animal products as long as you don't trample my right to the opposite. PETA fails on that front miserably, which is the cause of my seriously wish they would get eaten by lions.

Kaliko -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 8:04:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I congratulate you are trying to become a vegan. Of course, I might not feel that way if we were having dinner together and you got belligerent about my eating meat. A restaurant that I worked in once, a girl (who was an aquaintance) came in and when she reached for the stuffed mushroom appetizer, I quickly told her not to touch them. I knew she was a vegetarian and they were made with beef broth. I know this wasn't directed quite pointedly at me, since we've never had dinner together, but I actually chuckled out loud at my desk reading that. That is always so difficult for me - that people expect that I will comment on or be sensitive about what they eat. At the most, I am insanely jealous of the wonderful smells and wish I could partake. I don't freak if my potatoes are fried in the same pan as bacon, or if the stuffing at a dinner being held at my friend's house is made with chicken broth. If it's a once-in-a-while thing like that, I feel there's no reason to make everyone uncomfortable at the table just because my choices are different. What happens much more often is everyone else at the table being uncomfortable with my not eating meat and them starting discussion about it, not me. It's actually embarrassing at times. I'm not a militant vegetarian, by any means. I do understand that there are those people out there. In my mind, if someone is trying to make anyone feel bad about their choices, they are not living vegan. Veganism is a lifestyle of compassion, not just an animal-free diet. It's compassion for all, even those with opposing viewpoints. I would never try to make anyone feel guilty for their choices. An academic discussion or debate? Absolutely. Starting real discussion based on interest and example? Yes. Guilt? No. There are certainly things that I've done that anyone could pass judgment on. Throwing stones and glass houses and all that.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/1/2011 8:28:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko What happens much more often is everyone else at the table being uncomfortable with my not eating meat and them starting discussion about it, not me. It's actually embarrassing at times. i can say i agree with that. more often than not, i'm harmlessly eating a non-meat food, and a meat-eater takes offense at that, and questions me. and yet they always assume that i'll come after them first. =p p.s. i like you, Kaliko

Muttling -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 7:58:46 AM)
I haven't heard any complaints about this on my PETA site. [image]http://www.mtd.com/tasty/logo1.gif[/image]

GreedyTop -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 7:59:30 AM)
muttling! hugs

LafayetteLady -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 6:28:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I congratulate you are trying to become a vegan. Of course, I might not feel that way if we were having dinner together and you got belligerent about my eating meat. A restaurant that I worked in once, a girl (who was an aquaintance) came in and when she reached for the stuffed mushroom appetizer, I quickly told her not to touch them. I knew she was a vegetarian and they were made with beef broth. I know this wasn't directed quite pointedly at me, since we've never had dinner together, but I actually chuckled out loud at my desk reading that. That is always so difficult for me - that people expect that I will comment on or be sensitive about what they eat. At the most, I am insanely jealous of the wonderful smells and wish I could partake. I don't freak if my potatoes are fried in the same pan as bacon, or if the stuffing at a dinner being held at my friend's house is made with chicken broth. If it's a once-in-a-while thing like that, I feel there's no reason to make everyone uncomfortable at the table just because my choices are different. What happens much more often is everyone else at the table being uncomfortable with my not eating meat and them starting discussion about it, not me. It's actually embarrassing at times. I'm not a militant vegetarian, by any means. I do understand that there are those people out there. In my mind, if someone is trying to make anyone feel bad about their choices, they are not living vegan. Veganism is a lifestyle of compassion, not just an animal-free diet. It's compassion for all, even those with opposing viewpoints. I would never try to make anyone feel guilty for their choices. An academic discussion or debate? Absolutely. Starting real discussion based on interest and example? Yes. Guilt? No. There are certainly things that I've done that anyone could pass judgment on. Throwing stones and glass houses and all that. No it wasn't about "you" specifically, but those veggies types who do feel a need to start a discussion on what my bacon, chicken, steak, etc. suffered in order to be on my plate. I'm one of those lucky people who doesn't get grossed out by things like that (ate popcorn during my EMT classes of accident movies). But I still find it rather rude. I find it equally rude for it to happen the other way around, although I do admit to makingn comments about tofu. I just can't stand the taste! It's like eating little blocks of erasers. Yes, I realize that I may not have have good, properly prepared tofu, but still... I guess I am most confounded by people whose lives are so empty they feel a need to get pushy about something as inane as food. Eat what you want. Offer me a taste if you think it is really good. I would reciprocate, but mine probably has meat in it, lol. Although I do make an awesome salad (no meat).

Kaliko -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 6:46:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I guess I am most confounded by people whose lives are so empty they feel a need to get pushy about something as inane as food. Eat what you want. The subject of what I consume is hardly inane. It's very important to me. A driving force of my character, even. Not important to you, but certainly not a topic worth calling inane. There are many non-pushy people for whom this is a very important ethical choice.

LafayetteLady -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 7:32:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I guess I am most confounded by people whose lives are so empty they feel a need to get pushy about something as inane as food. Eat what you want. The subject of what I consume is hardly inane. It's very important to me. A driving force of my character, even. Not important to you, but certainly not a topic worth calling inane. There are many non-pushy people for whom this is a very important ethical choice. You misunderstood what I meant. It is something that is inane to argue about. I love good food, different from the good food that you love, but the concept that people should argue about what others eat is inane. Neither of our eating habits has any effect on the other. Any argument about something like that is, and will always be inane.

Kaliko -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 7:50:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I guess I am most confounded by people whose lives are so empty they feel a need to get pushy about something as inane as food. Eat what you want. The subject of what I consume is hardly inane. It's very important to me. A driving force of my character, even. Not important to you, but certainly not a topic worth calling inane. There are many non-pushy people for whom this is a very important ethical choice. You misunderstood what I meant. It is something that is inane to argue about. I love good food, different from the good food that you love, but the concept that people should argue about what others eat is inane. Neither of our eating habits has any effect on the other. Any argument about something like that is, and will always be inane. Perhaps I did. Or perhaps we should discuss it over a burger. :)

LafayetteLady -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/2/2011 11:35:34 PM)
Veggie burger for you, and bacon cheese for me. Sounds like a plan. Or we could just share a cheese pizza! No meat for you, and yummy cheese for me!

gman992 -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/4/2011 10:45:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep "considering that PETA relies on painting naked women like animals to speak out against circuses, or sending people running naked through the street to protest the fur industry..." Hey, I've seen some of those girls nakes, and they are still wearing fur!

gman992 -> RE: PETA angry at NYTimes (10/4/2011 10:48:46 PM)
Hey, I'm a member of PETA too... People who enjoy eating tasty animals....

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