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jocelyn -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/23/2006 10:20:44 PM)
<I think it's worth a try. I have some friends that are dancers and <submissives, and they are pretty cool people .... not at all <golddiggers. They are just girls with bills to pay. My best friend <tells me that lots of the nicer girls that work there, are at least <mentally submissive. Eldest daughter has been a stripper for about eight years. She's fairly dominant, and might, therefore, choose friends within the field who are also dominant, but I don't think she'd agree that there are many submissive strippers. There (like an earlier poster mentioned) are reps from the lesbian/druggie part of the world, for sure, but the majority of the women she's danced with are strong businesswomen. They're students, wives, (like my baby), moms, and a demographic cross section of whatever city she's dancing in. One other factor - the relationships she has there, even with her regular customers, are professional ones. Most of the women find relationship partners ANYWHERE other than the club.

Wolfie648 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/23/2006 10:43:10 PM)
"Actually, it was serious advice that stemmed from a conversation I had with some friends. I posted it because of all the posts we had over the last few days about the ills of meeting people online and crummy lifestyle groups that only draw sensation players. Consider it a public service. " Ah, to be 18 again. O' and um thanks for the advice! D (owner of j)

CanadianGuy -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 2:01:12 AM)
The idea of strippers (hookers, promiscuous females, and so on) turns me right off. I couldn't care less how submissive she was - I wouldn't go near her. Yuck. No offense to strippers (and/ore whores) but no thanks.

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 2:45:57 AM)
I do think the women working in clubs tend to want Dom men, but the men frequenting strip clubs are more likely to be subs, themselves. I used to know some girls who worked in a club. I met one of them before she went to work there and became friends with the others because of that. We often partied together when they were not working. I was actually told by one of them once to never go in that club and buy one a drink if I wanted to keep my accepted status with them. I used to hear often how the customers were such easy prey and knew that the club customers were not the types they liked to hang around with when not working. I suppose there could have been Dommes among the strippers who liked the attention of the submissive men, but they were not in my group of friends.

twicehappy -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 7:22:02 AM)
quote: You may well be correct but one potential problem with strippers is that they can't have any marks on their bodies I was a stripper for twelve years during which i had a Master, stage lights, costumes and makeup hide stretch marks, scratches and bruises easily. quote: If I was a stripper I do not think that I would want to be involved with a guy who picked-up girls at strip clubs. It seems to be about on par with picking up girls at AA meetings. Most guys never get a chance to pick up girls in a strip club, yet i do think strippers are more likely to be lifestyle friendly and open minded. But there is as much of a chance in a strip club as here on collarme, just present yourself well. A better scenario would be if you met one not by going through the club but else where, i think the point is have an open mind, being a stripper does not mean being a bad person. I do not get the AA meeting comment, did you know that in 99% of the clubs the girls are not allowed to drink, when you buy them a drink it is normally coke or juice? quote: The idea of strippers (hookers, promiscuous females, and so on) turns me right off. I couldn't care less how submissive she was - I wouldn't go near her. Yuck. No offense to strippers (and/ore whores) but no thanks. Excuse me? Stripper equals promiscuous or whore? Better think again, i worked on Baltimore's infamous Block, a strip of about(used to be but is smaller now)40 clubs in a row, i knew many of the women, some were married, some were paying for school, most of them you would never consider in the light you just described. One of the girls where i worked was a case manager for Social Security, one worked for a loan company, i was a hospice nurse five days a week, i danced to fund my children’s private schooling, the rebuilding of my 18th century farm house, college funds and my racing habits. If you met me in the daytime you would have taken me for a farm wife. Where the hell else could i make an average of 3000. in 3 nights in 6 hours a night? Never once did i not go straight home from work, or sleep with a customer, very few of the other dancers did either. Rule number one; if men see it all they quit coming to the club hoping for more than a glance at it and rule number two; once they have had it they quit trying to get it.

MrrPete -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 7:43:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring I'll bet that many of the guys online looking for subs are also frequenting strip clubs and striking out there too. The nearest club to me is 180 miles away and I don't drink :) Mr. Pete available & looking boycott tequila

petwolf22 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 8:40:36 AM)
i'd disagree that most of the male customers are submissive...it's an environment where it's easy for them to lose a lot of money, very quickly, but i've dealt with more than my share of men who like to share with me just what they'd want to do with me, and it's nothing at all in the realm of "submitting" to me. Unless they'd all like to be financial slaves! [;)] i've also dealt with many (in a club that allows close contact) who try to hold me down or like to tell me to dance in certain ways. Certainly not a very submissive kind of trait. There are a few who come in who are crossdressers (wearing their wife's panties) or into pain, and i soooo take advantage of that, but the last time a "sub" came in there and told me he wanted to be submissive to me, as soon as i spat out my order he said that he wasn't "up for doing that tonight." Hell, i don't even act very submissive there unless a man comes in with very clear dominant kind of vibes. Just last night in two seconds flat i had my hand around the throat of a man who tried to slip his hand between my legs while doing a dance. i don't put up with that sh/t, regardless of my multiple partner fantasies [:)]. No one's allowed that. i think that most have more dominant personalities...i'd hesitate to call any one of them a Master, though.

TNstepsout -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 9:10:25 AM)
quote: Where the hell else could i make an average of 3000. in 3 nights in 6 hours a night? Well you got the pay so I guess you have to deal with the negative aspects as well. Some people will be of the opinion that strippers are whores and there's not much you can do about it. What's done is done. But had you made the decision to struggle at a $1,500 a month job (like some of us) you wouldn't need to defend your honor by exclaiming that not ALL bookkeepers are whores!

petwolf22 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 10:50:03 AM)
Who needs to defend their honor for having danced? i don't have much respect for the way the industry has gone downhill, for the horrible management practices or the people who think coming to a place like this provides them license to do as they wish, but i still respect MYSELF. i get called the same thing by some people and personally consider them not worth knowing. i put my night job on my resume, and explain that i'm proud i was able to pay my way through school, purchase my home and finance my new business. If anyone wants to judge me for the path i've taken, go ahead. i'd rather end up at a company where i'm respected for what i've accomplished and learned--and am willing to wait, if need be. And you do learn something as a dancer--it's frankly the worst customer service job you have to smile through (you aren't getting paid hourly), you learn how to deal with the best and worst of customers, you learn where your own ethics lie (at what point do you tell a customer "no" and thus sacrifice the business?), you learn the ability to be more outgoing (and not everyone is there just to see you naked--a large percentage just want the company), time management, money management, and you learn what it's like to see some human beings at their worst. Although it's supposed to be ideally all about fantasy, you see what some people are really like underneath. There are people who can make more than 1500 a month bartending, cocktail waitressing, and doing other things that there's no question of even defending their honor. Making a decision to struggle at a lower monthly income is a personal choice and they have no right to judge those of us who choose to work at a different occupation and pull in a higher income. If you have the ability and availability to work at a job to make a higher income, and you choose not to, you're not entitled to any more respect than the rest of us.

caitlyn -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 11:42:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CanadianGuy The idea of strippers (hookers, promiscuous females, and so on) turns me right off. I couldn't care less how submissive she was - I wouldn't go near her. Yuck. No offense to strippers (and/ore whores) but no thanks. That's probably because they don't let middle school girls work there. [;)]

lisa1978 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 11:55:04 AM)
Stripping and the BDSM community have a lot on common. The vast majority on both sides dominants/submissives and strippers/customers are good upstanding people who can get reputations trashed by people who have not walked in their shoes or only observed from very a far. Most of the custmomers are good guys of all different shapes, sizes and personalities and almost all of them are usually just looking for some company of a woman who will smile at them even knowing we want their money. Most strippers live honorable lives, with solid morals as well.

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 12:15:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: petwolf22 i'd disagree that most of the male customers are submissive...it's an environment where it's easy for them to lose a lot of money, very quickly, but i've dealt with more than my share of men who like to share with me just what they'd want to do with me, and it's nothing at all in the realm of "submitting" to me. Unless they'd all like to be financial slaves! [;)] ....i think that most have more dominant personalities...i'd hesitate to call any one of them a Master, though. I am in no means picking on my friends' profession, stripping, but I think you make my point with those comments. My stripper friends told me they would lose respect for me if I went to the club and bought one a drink and I think there was a reason for their comments. The men you describe are not what most, and even you, think of as dominant enough to be a Master. Do you really think a Dom is going to be suckered into the environment where he can lose a lot of money fast like that? A brash, loud mouth type, sticking money in g-strings is not quite there.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 12:47:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CanadianGuy The idea of strippers (hookers, promiscuous females, and so on) turns me right off. I couldn't care less how submissive she was - I wouldn't go near her. Yuck. No offense to strippers (and/ore whores) but no thanks. Funny you would state this here but in your profile you would state the opposite: quote: You are: - willing to do anything within a few limits - looking to be used, spanked, held down, tied up, fondled, licked, ordered, dominated, owned, and also loved, cherished, wanted, and protected - willing to be a loving girlfriend, submissive slut, and adoring little girl, as the situation and my needs call for Funny how hypocritical some people are.

TNstepsout -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 8:06:43 PM)
quote: There are people who can make more than 1500 a month bartending, cocktail waitressing, and doing other things that there's no question of even defending their honor. Making a decision to struggle at a lower monthly income is a personal choice and they have no right to judge those of us who choose to work at a different occupation and pull in a higher income. If you have the ability and availability to work at a job to make a higher income, and you choose not to, you're not entitled to any more respect than the rest of us. No, but my point was, that the original poster to whom I responded seemed to want her cake and to eat it too. Every job has it's pros and cons, and the con aspect of being a stripper is that it comes with the connotation of being being a whore. I didn't make the rules, I'm just stating what they are. She made it sound as if she had NO choice but to be a stripper and therefore shouldn't be judged. She DID have a choice, she chose the money. So now she has to live with the reality that some people will judge her negatively for it.

petwolf22 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 8:31:35 PM)
It comes with some people's negative connotations of the job...just as all lawyers are con artists, doctors uncaring and out for a game of golf, and politicians liars, right? And since when is there a rule that we must think of all strippers as whores (regardless of whether or not they actually are?)? i know some of them are "whores" just as some lawyers really are crooks and some politicians liars (and some of them "whores" as well!) She wanted to work and to be respected? Gee, what a fantasy cake that is. Where in her posts does it say that she didn't have a choice to do what she did, or is an attitude that she didn't have a choice? I can't find any kind of presumptuous phrasing except perhaps in your posts. To me she proved her point, that she was certainly not a "whore" and she knew at least several others who also were not. Living with our choices does not mean not defending the truth about it. i'm the same damn way--insinuate that i am in some way a bad person because of the choices i make, i will defend tooth and nail why i am not that bad person. If that's wrong, by all means let me know, since you seem to be aware of "rules" that i am not. Like i said, anyone who wants to call me a whore or think of me as such (outside of the bedroom anyway [:)]) isn't worth me knowing and isn't worth me working with or for.

brightspot -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/24/2006 9:44:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lisa1978 As far as meeting submissive women that are strippers, I would say that is a very long shot. I despise stereo typing but most strippers are either in strong lesbian mode (lesbian or bisexual not wanting men at current time) This was one of my first thoughts and something I have found to be true with many strippers and prostitutes I have talked to. Also like some others have said, engaging in intimate behavior and/or entering into a personal relationship with the clientele makes as much sense to me as starting a relationship in Prison, Jail, Treatment facilities(for drugs, mental health), at your Place of Employment and also for myself personally in a Bar where either party has comsumed alcohol. *Brightspot

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/25/2006 12:16:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel quote: ORIGINAL: petwolf22 i'd disagree that most of the male customers are submissive...it's an environment where it's easy for them to lose a lot of money, very quickly, but i've dealt with more than my share of men who like to share with me just what they'd want to do with me, and it's nothing at all in the realm of "submitting" to me. Unless they'd all like to be financial slaves! [;)] ....i think that most have more dominant personalities...i'd hesitate to call any one of them a Master, though. I am in no means picking on my friends' profession, stripping, but I think you make my point with those comments. My stripper friends told me they would lose respect for me if I went to the club and bought one a drink and I think there was a reason for their comments. The men you describe are not what most, and even you, think of as dominant enough to be a Master. Do you really think a Dom is going to be suckered into the environment where he can lose a lot of money fast like that? A brash, loud mouth type, sticking money in g-strings is not quite there. LOL, I haven't been to a strip club in quite a while. Generally, I used to go when I was on the road in sales. And it was a fun alternative to sitting in a hotel room. I'm sure I would again if I was outta town and bored. I think it's foolish for people to think all the guys in a strip club have it as a goal to fuck the strippers. It's not really the case. Even though I have been propositioned for purchase to vaginal rights. LOL. Believe it or not I didn't partake. But it was nice of her to offer. hehe. So, it really depends on what strip club you go to that defines what goes on. Some you can't do anything and the strippers are 3 foot away. Others, they will put their lady parts right in your face. That's not always a good thing either, by the way. But I've never gone to a strip club with the intention of picking up anyone. It's more just to have fun. You'd be way better off going to a regular club or bar to get laid, way easier, and most of the single women there are looking for the same thing. Strippers are just making money, and indulging guys like of jiggling titties. LOL. In most clubs anyway.

Wolfie648 -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/25/2006 12:21:19 AM)
"I do think the women working in clubs tend to want Dom men, but the men frequenting strip clubs are more likely to be subs," How about "I think the women in <strip> clubs tend to want Dom men, but the men frequenting strip clubs are more likely to be:" a) subs b) men who know what they want but can't get it in their relationship (so spending money on some other chick gives him power over her for a song or 2 or 5 or 10 - eh btw NOT you can't do what you want with them) c) doms are in an environment where the women have control - one word and the guy is thrown out by bouncers. d) good luck to connect with strippers trying to find a dom guy in a strip club; besides they are usually owned by the local bad guy willing to cut off peoples fingers and whatnot. So much for safe sane and eh consensual. EDIT: o yeh and results may vary. D (owner of j)

Kedikat -> RE: Do you remember all those posts ... (5/25/2006 1:14:12 AM)
How in the world would the girl know a decent serious guy there? And how the hell do you actually communicate decently with her? Here in Alberta Canada, the clubs are quite demeaning in the interactions. Should I write My number on a Toonie before throwing it at her twat? Maybe you should tell the ones you know, to join up on sites like this? But tell them to keep the stripper career a secret at first. Not because it is a bad career, but because it would make them seem fake or Pro subs.

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