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Administration should deny bishops' request for a veto ... - 9/30/2011 8:46:58 AM   
Lucylastic


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You don’t ask a vegetarian where to get a great prime rib, or a teetotaler for a single-malt scotch recommendation. You don’t ask a bald man where to get a stylish haircut. So why would federal policymakers defer to a cadre of celibate men on the reproductive health services women need?
As crazy as that sounds, that’s exactly what’s happening. The chaste all-male club known as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has criticized the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for adopting a rule requiring health plans eliminate copays for contraception and other important women’s health services. The HHS decision, issued in August, adopts the recommendation of a panel of medical experts convened by the prestigious Institute of Medicine.


Under the proposed law, a Christian Scientist organization could refuse to cover any medical procedure other than Christian prayer, and an Orthodox Jewish organization might refuse to cover organ transplants. But the real danger from the proposed law comes from extending “conscience” protections to Catholic hospitals, which treat one-sixth of all patients in the United States, millions of whom are not Catholic, or otherwise do not share the bishops’ extreme views.
The proposed law [b]would permit Catholic hospitals not to treat women suffering from potentially fatal ectopic pregnancies, and instead simply leave them hooked up to an IV drip until the embryo dies.

Lest this horrifying result sound like exaggeration, in 2008, Dr. Lori Freedman documented a number of instances in which Catholic hospitals refused to help women suffering from life-threatening medical emergencies based on their “conscientious beliefs.”
As Freedman explains, one “belief” of Catholic hospitals is that doctors must stand idly by and allow a hemorrhaging pregnant woman to bleed as long as the fetus she is carrying shows any signs of life. In one particularly cruel instance described by a perinatologist, an urban northeastern Catholic hospital demanded that doctors do nothing to terminate the non-viable pregnancy of a woman who was septic, running a 106-degree fever, and bleeding out of her eyeballs because a fetal heartbeat could still be heard. One doctor—whose conscience actually was violated by the hospital’s refusal to provide the care this woman desperately needed—eventually resigned, disgusted that he was unable to practice the medicine he was trained to perform.






http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/184741-administration-should-deny-bishops-request-for-a-veto-over-womens-healthcare

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RE: Administration should deny bishops' request for a v... - 10/1/2011 7:27:38 AM   
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What is your point here, Lucy?

Aside from this confusion;

"The chaste all-male club known as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has criticized the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for adopting a rule requiring health plans eliminate copays for contraception and other important women’s health services. The HHS decision, issued in August, adopts the recommendation of a panel of medical experts convened by the prestigious Institute of Medicine."

So, why would the Bishops protest against what, as the above article explains, be in fact concurring with their aims? "Eliminate copays for contraception ... " etc.

"Under the proposed law, a Christian Scientist organization could refuse to cover any medical procedure other than Christian prayer, and an Orthodox Jewish organization might refuse to cover organ transplants. But the real danger from the proposed law comes from extending “conscience” protections to Catholic hospitals, which treat one-sixth of all patients in the United States, millions of whom are not Catholic, or otherwise do not share the bishops’ extreme views."

Right. The Christian Scientists and Orthodox Jews doing the same thing are not too troublesome for you then, but Catholics (a quite small proportion of them) are what send you up the wall here. "The real danger." Here's the latest flash; much more than 1/6 of Catholics tell these small contingent of Bishops to shove it up their arse, on a weekly basis, and many nuns and priests out there for the bake sale to fund the effort.


I could refer to the good Brothers and Sisters doing the gnarliest and nastiest work in areas of the world (lots of women's health and contraception and AIDS help, but shhh ... ) following the bombing and arms imports from Western (Cheyney wasn't a Catholic) countries.

"As Freedman explains, one “belief” of Catholic hospitals is that doctors must stand idly by and allow a hemorrhaging pregnant woman to bleed as long as the fetus she is carrying shows any signs of life. In one particularly cruel instance described by a perinatologist, an urban northeastern Catholic hospital demanded that doctors do nothing to terminate the non-viable pregnancy of a woman who was septic, running a 106-degree fever, and bleeding out of her eyeballs because a fetal heartbeat could still be heard."

That is as much a "belief" of Catholic hospitals as mule-drawn wagons are a belief of car mechanics, both Freedman's and your agendas notwithstanding. Otherwise, we'd be seeing both bloody infants and bloody moms hastened to the dumpster by the wagon load.

If you are even attempting to claim that the utter nonsense of some few Bishops (or the idiot Pope, that nobody listens to) comes anywhere close to the harm done to the world by Democrats and Republicans, you are wide of the mark here.

PS

Catholic and Baptist and Methodist, etc. and Jewish and Muslim and Hindu et al. social organizations are working overtime because of the politicians, not the other way around.  The Gingrich/Fallwell/Bachman types' thievery of religion for their own purpose is what it is. Politicians doing what they do best. And yes, Fallwell's great scam was deluding people into thinking he was a "preacher" when he was in fact a non-elected politician from day one.











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RE: Administration should deny bishops' request for a v... - 10/1/2011 11:24:47 AM   
Lucylastic


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theres an awful lot of pointing fingers at "my agenda" dear chap..and you are assuming alll kinds of weirdness, considering I didnt actually add in any way to the topic.
Considering I dislike all organised religions the same, is not new.
My disgust that religion doesnt give a shit about the women who actually do have a serious interest in their own lives is hardly new, but dont put words in my mouth, dont make ugly assumptions about my "claims" about politicians. My point is bolded.
thats quite a rant on what I believe and think
Ill thankyou to stick to actual statements.
If you want to know more ask..
if you just want to throw barbs and YOUR opinion dont pull what you think I believe into it



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RE: Administration should deny bishops' request for a v... - 10/1/2011 12:42:57 PM   
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Right. No  barbs from you against Catholics, only choice selection of convenient quotes to that end. I got it. The quotes said it, not you.

I am sure that I am not entirely caught up on who you are, what you think, etc. I was addressing the post directly, nothing more than that. Apologies for being overly defensive there. Don't ask me why. I remember when coming home from school and relating about being harassed and ragged on by the public school kids, my mom told us about how in her day, the school week was Tuesday through Saturday, just to f**k with the Jews (she didn't state it that way).

No question, the current Pope is an imbecile, but the Bishops are no different than the politicians; the biggest assholes find their way to the highest positions and highest level of influence, an armada of agendas to the attack.

S**t, I've been away from it for over 25 years, so why does it still hurt when I read accounts of assholedness such as you describe? OTOH, you might apprise yourself of the numerous things that social workers of many faiths are doing around the world. In any case, there was some big fiasco over some nun getting fired from a hospital somewhere in Arizona about a year and a half ago, beause of some asshole Bishop who didn't even work at the place. I know this sounds weird, but I actually consider that good news. This being due to the fact that nuns in higher positions are speaking up, doing the right thing, etc. Oh, and a bunch of priests and even one or two Bishops (from other Dioceses) behind the effort to support her.

I hear what you say, Lucy. This truly sucks, no way around it. But it is not the entirety of those poor souls still following that faith. Just ask the nuns.












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RE: Administration should deny bishops' request for a v... - 10/1/2011 1:20:01 PM   
Lucylastic


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I never blamed catholics, or muslims or jews or christians, I blame the belief that the "organisation", believes everyone must follow their rules, christian, or catholic or not. That they have the right to country wide deny a women rights over her own body and future.
"So why would federal policymakers defer to a cadre of celibate men on the reproductive health services women need? " was a good point.

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RE: Administration should deny bishops' request for a v... - 10/1/2011 9:32:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

"So why would federal policymakers defer to a cadre of celibate men on the reproductive health services women need? " was a good point.



Yes it was.

Almost, but not quite the fallacy of having Dick Cheney as head of an "Energy Group Task Force." Or having GMO-foisting  Monsanto's Michael Taylor as head of the FDA and now "Food Safety Czar." Or Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson as Secretary of the Treasury. Etc.













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