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Kaliko -> RE: World Vegetarian Day! (10/4/2011 2:49:18 AM)
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ORIGINAL: twistedwillow
I agree whole heartedly with Aynne.
I am a meat eater, always will be, but that is NO excuse to treat animal with cruelty and contempt.
Personally, I wish we had more respect for animal life and well being, and less so for the human scum who treat them ( and each other ) like shit.
Sigh...I'm not gonna make any friends here, but I have to say it - for discussion's sake, not to be critical.
How is it that, on one hand, you can say that you are a meat eater and always will be, and on the other, you wish we had more respect for animal life and well-being and that it's no excuse to treat an animal with cruelty?
There is a difference between animal welfare (providing an animal with a comfortable life until we kill them) and animal rights (not killing them in the first place). The difference, to me, is only in semantics. If an animal is ultimately killed, isn't that .... cruel? I would certainly consider it to be cruel if my daughter was killed and eaten, even if she lived in a palace and was fed champagne and caviar every day until the day she was killed - I'd consider that pretty cruel.
I say this because it's kind of a pet peeve of mine. I don't pat myself on the back for being vegetarian because, even though I make certain choices, there is so much more that I could be doing that I don't. I'm not going to bolster up my halfway choices. Why is it, then, that people will say things like "I don't believe in cruelty to animals" while they dig into their burger, or that they'll eat burgers but not veal - because that's cruel. It's all cruel. It's just a matter of how much cruelty one is willing to admit to being numb to, and then we hide behind popular ethics to make ourselves feel better about our choices.
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
At least buy meat from local humanely produced farms. I'm not a vegan, just a compassionate human being. Laughing at diabolical cruel practices....says a lot about people.
Here, too...I just don't see how one can advise others on how to eat or buy their food (as if one's own choices are better - discussion is one thing, but advising others to "do as I do" is another) if that person is partaking in animals that were killed, which, though may not be the ultimate in cruelty, is pretty darn cruel - "humane" or otherwise. It surely would not make me feel any better if my child was humanely killed.
For clarification, I'm not putting down anyone's choices to buy from more humane organizations, or to feel that animal cruelty is wrong at the same time that they eat a burger. I hope I've made it clear that all of us, myself included, are guilty of hypocrisy in our actions in many things, not just the area of the ethics of eating.
What I have trouble with is someone saying they can't understand another's choices - that someone else's choices are more cruel than theirs - when their own choices are pretty clearly quite cruel.
Help. What am I missing?
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