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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

VideoAdminAlpha: I did and it worked. I do not see your message now, as any other participant. [sm=waves.gif].
I leave it so for 24 hours for the case you want to test configurations or something, ok?

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

Hmmm I should have rephrased. I had never considered the hiding on this side,. I know I cannot be blocked as other users on the other side from contacting you. Feel free to hide me on this side [:)] Rarely do I speak and if I want to make sure a specific user knows what I said, I send them a purty golden letter. It's all good......[;)]

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD



Fuck. Now I'm thinking about Belgian waffles with whipped cream, butter and yummy strawberries with a nice dusting of powdered sugar...kinda like...

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD



Fuck. Now I'm thinking about Belgian waffles with whipped cream, butter and yummy strawberries with a nice dusting of powdered sugar...kinda like...

Yup, perfect description of a waffle.

Then if you shove it up yer twat...voila!! Twatwaffle [:D]

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What exactly is a twatwaffle anyhow?

Here ya go...

[image]http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/picture/celticskunk/TwatWaffle.png[/image]

K.

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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
5. Therefore, at the end of all our assertions, there is a system of axioms, upon which we use a set of rules.

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Magnetism, gravity and chemical reaction spring to mind - we can see that something happens, though for many the reasoning that it all happens is just that it does.
Being unable to prove why these assertions happen does not make the assertion less valid.

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7. When many people share a part of their knowledge system, we can call it their common knowledge system, even if they do not use only this one, or do not use it always consistently, or (very important) they start from different axioms and therefore, even following the same rules, they arrive to different assertions
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12. I call "demostration", to the act of using reason, to reach a new assert. It is a kind of derivation. The rational one. I also call it "rational proof" or "proof" for short (but I try to avoid ambigüity when I see that somebody else "prooves" with a differetn knowledge system).

This just reminds me of the Matrix lol - our perception of the world around us is based on the input of our senses and the subsequent translation in our minds - how can you prove we are even here? How can you prove the sensations received are the sensations given?

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13. A rational fact is a demostrated assert.
14. A (rational) fact does not have to be an "absolute truth". Maybe it is, maybe not, but it was proven so it is a fact... until we proove otherwise.

Looking at the development of science and medicine through history it's easy to see this - the Romans had a belief that foul air made you unwell, and so developed a sewerage system to remove a noteable cause of foul air.

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40. Reason tells me that the absolute truth exists.
41. It also tells me that it is possible to reach it. If one person says A and the other says no-A, one of the must be right, and have the absolute truth.
42. But reason tells me also that we cannot be know, in an absolute safe and completely guaranteed way, who of them is right.

And this bit I partly disagree with, as between A and -A there is a point where the answer is neither A or -A, so my own reasoning tells me that neither of them could be right. Not to mention my own reasoning fails to see why an absolute truth should be a linear value, and not multidimensional. Semantics and a misunderstanding on my part maybe...

Incidentally, could you define epistemology? I can't be bothered to google right now

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
An axiom can be a number of definite thing according to normal usage. If you were going with your own definition then it would have been helpful to say that explicitely

And, although IMO the usage I use is pretty common, I actually did say it explicitly.

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You defined an axiom as a very definite thing in number three as an assertion without basis, and also said something similar in number 20, where they are not demonstrable according to your definition

As the are not derived, they are not demostrated, as demostration is a form of derivation.

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You lumped religion and philosphy in at point number 8 as a system of these axioms based on certain rules.

I do not understand "lumped".

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I see now after reading a few other points that reason appears to be one of these rules, if I understand you correctly.

No! Reason is a system of rules, not one single rule.

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However you appear to contradict yourself such as by stating in point 12 "I call "demostration", to the act of using reason, to reach a new assert. It is a kind of derivation." and in 13 "A rational fact is a demostrated assert." Thus if reason is based on a system of unsupported axioms its proofs are worthless.

No, this is your conclusion, not mine. Your are  saying "thus ... ". I see there no "thus", I do not see why "thus", rational proof should be worthless, only because it is based on unsupported axioms. As I said, all axioms (or "bluegh", you still can reject my definition and propose another word) are unsupported by definition. This does not imply a "lack of value", this is your evaluation, not mine.

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Hmmm.... lots of posts here while I was writing that lol

Is it wrong I could just go for a waffle?