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joether -> RE: Hispanic kids disappearing from Alabama schools (10/5/2011 3:10:59 AM)
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NSNG,
Your railing me over my post and english? Dude, look how you did your reply, an then study how I constructed mine in reply to yours. See those red words? That's your reply to me. Its easier on other's eyes to actually follow what you and I said. Heck, hit the 'quote' button for this post, and you'll see how I formatted the replies. There is a forum on this site for testing. Maybe practice how to use the 'quote' system before doing so here? It'll help your arguement be much clearer and easier to read.
What I did with the posts was simply brackets '[ ]' and 'quote' (to start the message) and '/quote' to finish the quote. Using the 'preview' button will let you know how others will see your post once finished. If you find your post is one large 'reply', you may have forgotten a '[ /quote ]' somewhere in the reply.
Given you have two posts to your name, I'll be kind and not ripe you apart (like I really should). Others on this discussion thread REALLY wont be as merciful and kind as I am. I realize you maybe passionate, but you should also realize that others on here will ALSO be passionate with their replies.
With that said, welcome to P & R discussions! Here's your helmet, your flak jacket, and your assigned to foxhole #37,282.
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
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ORIGINAL: joether
So let me see if I get this straight.
You don't.
Bit of advise here, NSNG. You start taking stuff out of context, and others will do the same to your stuff. It gets REALLY petty REALLY fast, and you'll come away from the discussion more mad and angry than you started. Take it from me, try not to take stuff out of context.
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
Intolerant Alabama creates a law that targets illegal immigrants.
In regards to the OP Article, no - they're discussing a data gathering requirement for statistics that is not going to be used for any type of immigration enforcement.
There's what people say, and what the actual words state. Alabama has a LONG history with racial intolerance. Wouldn't be surprising if this information 'fell' into the hands of the law enforcement. That while transporting the documents to a 'secure facility, a couple of boxes 'fall off the truck' only later to be 'miraculously found' by law enforcement. Or do you wish to try convincing all of us, that Alabama really has no intolerance towards non-whites? I'm sure the hispanic population would be relieved to hear your indepth explaination.....
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
Unfortunately, the hispanic population is more intelligent than the alabama police officers, as they know they'll be targetted indiscrimently.
Targeted for what? Every new student (current students are excluded) has to provide birth/citizenship documentation, or a letter from their parents confirming their origin. No matter what the answer, they will not be denied an education, and no data will be provided to law enforcement.
Yes, you said the whole 'the information will not be used for law enforcement'. If you find information of someone breaking the law, and your a police officer OR a 'law abiding citizen' (which gun owners try to tell us all the time, right?) wouldn't you be duty-bound to act on it through the proper channels? Since hiding evidence of a crime is typically ALSO illegal.
Likewise, this law has create a huge amount of fear upon the hispanic community. Perhaps those who are actually here legally or US Citizens feel they are not being properly represented and are being unfairly targetted for legal action. Can you not admit this could be a legitimate and understandable concern? So try convincing a population that feels they are going to be unfairly targetted that things REALLY arent what they appear. That will cost alot of money in PR and individuals calming the public down (in this case, the hispanic community) .
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
Even the ones that are here legally (including US Citizens) are leaving should alarm anyone with a pulse.
This isn't a sentence. Please enroll in school with proper documentation and gain yourself and understanding of English.
Yeah well, I'm up pretty late due to a sick neighbor having trouble breathing. Sue me....
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
So, those kids will go to other schools in other states.
Or better yet, other countries.
Realistically, I think we can conclude that's not going to happen for the grand majority of them.
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
Alabama will lose enrollment funding from the US Goverment and other states gain more federal dollars.
Alabama will lose the dollars, but also will be required to provide fewer services. Few kids to be educated = fewer dollars required. Additionally, Alabama is probably losing some of the most expensive kids - and their parents - who also cost the state a lot of money.
Few kids requires fewer dollars is true. Until you factor in what those dollars actually PAY FOR. The majority of it is for labor (teacher's salaries) and materials (books, office supplies, gym equipment, etc). With a lesser amount for physical locations, buses, etc. That will result in LESS money being put into the local economy. That's less potential money for any number of fees and taxes which will cost Alabama even more resources. Less money in circulation that originally comes from the above three sources, creates less business resulting in less need for hiring workers. The problem your having with this part is a concept in economics: Scales of Economy.
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ORIGINAL: NotSoNormalGuy
Good job Alabama, way to show your wisdom is still the bottom of the barrel!
Way to go Alabama for standing up for the law of the land. That we keep having conversations about "ILLEGAL" immigrants and their rights is getting so old. That the president of this country spends more time defending "ILLEGAL" immigrants than he does worrying about LEGAL CITIZENS is preposterous.
Actually the President spends more time being a President than he does being a lawyer. I think your confused with the concept of 'public defender'. And with the concept of 'everyone is entitled to a lawyer'. They are pretty 'core' concepts to the United States. The President maybe a lawyer (and a Constitutional lawyer at that), but his job is not defending those suspected of illegal actions. His job is actually running the matters of state and day to day operations. I'm not telling you anything new that you didn't know before, right? This remark of yours is just silly and akin to that of a 12 year old child.
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