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Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 2:23:12 PM   
Wickad


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Status: offline 		Hello Eeveryone,

Another thread dealing with weight got me thinking about this.  I didn't want to hi-jack the thread so I started this one.

My original question had to do with why women have such problems with weight.  I wondered if there were positives to being heavy.  However, perhaps I didn't phrase my question correctly... I was trying to find out if other women are heavier because of an emotional link rather than simply a result of poor diet and lack of excercise.  There is a school of thought that suggests that people do not do things that don't work for them on some level.  Because of this, being over weight, and stugglling with that weight might not be so much of a struggle with eating well but rather with trying to deal with inner turmoils. 

One person might use their weight as a shield so as not to have to deal with the advances of the other sex.  Another might use their weight as a manifestation of the 'mothering' figure so that they feel more motherly and people can see they are motherly.  Another might use their weight as a defense against getting hurt - you can't get hurt if no one wants to date you after all. 

There are many reasons and I just wonder if any other women see their weight as a reflection of an inner stuggle rather than simply a manifestation of higher caloric intake than output?

Wickad
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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 2:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went once to a lecture about fat hatred and hatred or fear of women. The argument was that negative views of women often lead to negative views of fat.

Most goddess figurines are what we might call fat afterall -- they represent wealth and fertility and power and presence. Having a large wife or sister or mother used to be a sign that a family was powerful and wealthy (large men too by the way).

Health is not a static thing, it varies from person to person and your body size and composition is merely one small facet of health.

I think there is something to this. A healthy woman is still going to have a much higher body fat ration than a healthy man, its a result of the difference between our bodies. I think that perhaps that women are supposed to be bigger than men in some ways simply because of our bodies; men are bigger in other ways.

Why then do our fashion designers chose women who are built more like men? Why then are women constantly told they are too fat, too ugly, too something negative?

Why would we, as supposedly dominant women continue these trends? Why did some people talk about plastic surgey and creams and longing for youth in this forum in the other thread? I felt a bit like screaming "This makes you dominant how?".

But we are, all of us, also creature of our society and our cultures, not the BDSM one but that mundane and vanilla one. I understand how hard it is to fight all this anti-femaleness we see around us from the second our eyes can focus. I know cause I've been fighting it my entire life.

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 2:53:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Women naturally have more body fat then males because we are designed to bare young and feed them from milk production from our breasts. Think of it this way the baby eats whatever Mother does and that takes alot of vitamins and nutrients away from her system that she really needs. That is why during pregnancy alot of women gain alot of weight, they are truly eating for two and shedding it after birth can be a night mare because your body just underwent one of the biggest chances during pregnancy. Sometimes your body chemistry changes and that can effect your metabolism.

Also weight problems do tend to run in families and both my Grandmothers were 5'10" and 200+ lbs. Large ladies indeed. I also inherited PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome)
PCOS is a health problem that can affect a woman’s menstrual cycle, fertility, hormones, insulin production, heart, blood vessels, and appearance. Women with PCOS have these characteristics:
  • high levels of male hormones, also called androgens
  • an irregular or no menstrual cycle
  • may or may not have many small cysts in their ovaries. Cysts are fluid-filled sacs.
  • weight gain
  • acne
  • excessive hair growth.
  • insulin resistance

Alot of women don't even know they have the disease. So these are some of the reasons that women have weight problems. Its not all because they are lazy or don't watch what they eat, alot of times its medical and there's not much they can do about it.

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 2:57:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wickad - Been watching/reading Dr. Phil lately?    That sounds very similar to what I've heard him say concerning people how have problems with their weight.  Myself, I think for SOME people that could indeed be a root problem (emotional issues).  Obviously that doesn't cover slow metabolisms or other health issues that make it difficult to lose weight.
 
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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 4:24:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wickad

My original question had to do with why women have such problems with weight.  I wondered if there were positives to being heavy.  However, perhaps I didn't phrase my question correctly... I was trying to find out if other women are heavier because of an emotional link rather than simply a result of poor diet and lack of excercise.  There is a school of thought that suggests that people do not do things that don't work for them on some level.  Because of this, being over weight, and stugglling with that weight might not be so much of a struggle with eating well but rather with trying to deal with inner turmoils. 

One person might use their weight as a shield so as not to have to deal with the advances of the other sex.  Another might use their weight as a manifestation of the 'mothering' figure so that they feel more motherly and people can see they are motherly.  Another might use their weight as a defense against getting hurt - you can't get hurt if no one wants to date you after all. 

There are many reasons and I just wonder if any other women see their weight as a reflection of an inner stuggle rather than simply a manifestation of higher caloric intake than output?

Wickad


When life gets stressful you can usually find me with a plate of something that I'm eating.  It's hard to avoid sweets and carbs when I'm trying to comfort myself with food.

In my world weight is both something which I wish would go to the right places and wish it would get unstuck from the wrong places.  That's a very transsexual woman's perspective on weight though.  We want it in the hips and other places and not at our midsection like most males get.

That would be a reminder of our genetics which we are trying very hard to escape.

As far as the effect for me of the weight I've gained, I tend to feel like I have to make excuses to guys who have expectations about what my body shape should be to fit their ideals.  Which sucks.

My self image right now is kind of a marshmellow with toothpics for limbs.  I've dreaded being asked when I'm due since that brings up the whole subject of biological sex and issues over reproduction which techincally I've been sterile for ages now.

So weight has had a negative influence on me.

God, now I'm craving marshmellows.

I dunno if it would affect my fet/BDSM life though.  If a partner can look past the exterior and see me for me then the exterior is irrelevant.  My mind is what engages when I take part in fet/BDSM activities.  Plus more senses are in play than just my eyes so how someone looks is only part of the picture.

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 4:35:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, having had gastric bypass surgery in order to loose the weight that was affecting my health, I've had to look at many of these issues. So, here’s my essay! You can skip down to the last paragraph if you want the short version.

I'm still not used to being found attractive by a wider portion of the population. I found that before, when I found partners that liked me, they usually liked me more for my mind and spirit than my physical appearance. I tend to not trust people who find me "hot" and who want to date me solely based on that attraction. I also have a tendency to not trust other people who are "beautiful", in particular men, because I assume that if they like looking buff, they must want someone who also looks buff as a partner. While I know that this is just silly on my part, it's still there.  

I'm still surprised that people can physically move me now. I had a lover playfully pull me across the bed recently. That'd have never happened pre-surgery. I was so shocked, I just kinda froze. I must of had some kind of look on my face because he actually stopped and asked if I was ok. 

 I used my weight as an excuse to not do things that I was afraid of doing. Now, I recognize that I did that and I can own up to the underlying issue and cope with it in a positive manner. For example, I’m just terribly uncomfortable in bars. Before surgery, I didn’t go because I was married. I got married young and have been married twice so that from the ages of 18-35, I was single for only 1 full year. I got married because I wanted someone to love me…and I stayed married because I was grateful that someone loved me. I sold my self esteem for a sense security. Oddly enough, the thinner I got and the healthier I got psychologically, the less my second husband liked me. So, now that I’m single with a much higher sense of self, I look at the bar situation. The real underlying issue about the bars is that my father drank and I do not trust people who are drinking. Knowing the real reason for the discomfort, I can work on the real fear instead of burying it with food. Or, I can simply choose not to go to the bar. I don’t have to beat myself up if I just don’t want to go. I’m worthy to make that decision.

I now have two body images in my head, neither of which is truly what I look like. I see myself as still large, usually. I’m totally shocked when I fit into sizes that I haven’t worn since high school. The other image in my head is what I want to look like. All I have to do to make that image a reality is get a tummy tuck to remove excess skin. I’m not sure my vanity is worth 10-12K at the moment. Maybe I should try the whole ATM pig thing? LOL! The only thing that’s really frustrating is that I still don’t have a handle on what sizes of clothes I wear. Out of habit, I will choose the larger sizes available…and this is after being this weight for about 4 years. I’ve been buying larger sizes for so long, I don’t know where to shop anymore either. It takes much longer for me to find something when buying clothes now because I really have to search for stuff.  

The gastric bypass was forced behavior modification. I simply could not control myself when it came to eating and through the twenty years of various yoyo diets, my metabolism had ceased to function properly. Now, I know why I overate; it was an emotional coping mechanism. When I could no longer overeat, I was forced to look at myself and learn new coping techniques. This led me down a painful, but liberating path, with a psychologist and a psychiatrist. I even did an out-patient program for two weeks to take a break from the world. I learned a sense of self that I felt I lost by listening to my dad tell me that I’d be so much prettier if I lost weight, as well as other non-accepting, non-compassionate comments from family and peers. Do I still overeat? Sometimes. Only, now I don't have to pay the physical price for it so much. If I thought I was obsessed about food before surgery...well, I'm totally obsessed now. But, this is because I have to be since my procedure was a mal-absorptive procedure. There are foods I can and cannot eat, minimum daily requirements I must meet as well as supplementation.  

So, in answer to your question, there weren’t many positives to my being overweight. Being overweight due to overeating is usually, but not always, an indicator of poor coping techniques and self-esteem issues. There are other reasons to be overweight, such as medical conditions and medications. Even so, I’m betting that all will agree that, no matter WHY someone is overweight, it can and does have adverse effects on your health. I was type II Diabetic, had high cholesterol, was hypertensive, had high triglycerides and had reoccurring pancreatitis (very painful). I no longer have these health problems due to the fact that I am no longer as heavy as I once was. It’s unclear if I would have still developed into a heavy person had I been psychologically healthier as a child. Since I can’t change that, it’s rather moot to wonder.   Master Fire

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 7:13:26 PM   
Wickad


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Status: offline 		Thank you Eeveryone for your responses.

Wickad

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 7:39:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I consciously replaced an addiction to junk food and "boredom munching" with a positive addiction to health and fitness.  It worked for me.  This is what I wrote about it.

Exercise and weight lifting is a very important part of my life. When I force myself to endure more and more and more, when I exert my strength to the utmost in order to get those last reps, I start snarling and growling aggressively. It is as if I am pitting myself against a dangerous and worthy foe. That opponent is myself, my own physical limitations that I continue to struggle mightily against.

Pain is weakness leaving the body. I bathe every muscle in that tempering fire to make me stronger. It forges me into a keener blade for battle, so that next time I may fight even more savagely against a worthier foe. The soreness after a workout says to me: you are a warrior, you fought hard and well, you endured past the limits of endurance. Here is your badge of courage.

Sometimes I watch myself in the mirror to check my form. Depending on my mood, it can be inspiring in more than one way. I see my worthy old foe there, the physical body that I am struggling to force into the mold that my iron will demands and my weak flesh continues to passively resist. I bare my teeth and show my enemy that I am a challenger to be reckoned with. Then I get down to the savage business of breaking my opponent down with the heavy iron, rep by rep by rep. The body in the mirror is a mere subject I regard with contempt, controlling it with my will and punishing it repeatedly for its deviations from the perfect form that is my goal.

Sometimes the person in the mirror is my friend, my companion in iron. Another sweaty, snarling animal is suffering alongside me in a companionable way. Check that form and smile a little through the pain. You're not alone.

Sometimes it's just me in the mirror. I nitpick and criticize a little, want to take off a little here and add a little there, but secretly I'm pleased with the progress I see. It's not nearly fast enough of course, but it's coming along. I am a work in progress. Look at those muscles coming through, shining with honest, hard earned sweat, and admire a little. Hey, that looks good. I look pretty tough. Let's do a few more reps to even better effect.

Fetishism? I worship the iron. I live in the weight room. A long black bench is the foremost shrine in this holy temple. I lie down on it like a willing sacrifice to the old gods. Just saying the word "reps" to me gets my juices flowing, makes the adrenaline start to run. Call it an addiction. I want to work out.


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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 7:45:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
I went once to a lecture about fat hatred and hatred or fear of women. The argument was that negative views of women often lead to negative views of fat.

Most goddess figurines are what we might call fat afterall -- they represent wealth and fertility and power and presence. Having a large wife or sister or mother used to be a sign that a family was powerful and wealthy (large men too by the way).

Health is not a static thing, it varies from person to person and your body size and composition is merely one small facet of health.

I think there is something to this. A healthy woman is still going to have a much higher body fat ration than a healthy man, its a result of the difference between our bodies. I think that perhaps that women are supposed to be bigger than men in some ways simply because of our bodies; men are bigger in other ways.

Why then do our fashion designers chose women who are built more like men? Why then are women constantly told they are too fat, too ugly, too something negative?

Why would we, as supposedly dominant women continue these trends? Why did some people talk about plastic surgey and creams and longing for youth in this forum in the other thread? I felt a bit like screaming "This makes you dominant how?".

But we are, all of us, also creature of our society and our cultures, not the BDSM one but that mundane and vanilla one. I understand how hard it is to fight all this anti-femaleness we see around us from the second our eyes can focus. I know cause I've been fighting it my entire life.

You Rock TammyJo...
 Is it really a fact that women big in disproportionate ratio to the big men, or is it just big women who get hated on for not being size 0-12?   It was really interesting about 10-15years back, I could only get Levis jeans from the men's department, because men are allowed to have bigger asses, lol.
 
I don't harbor self hate because of my size, nor do I permit anyone to make hateful statements because of my size...  And Lord knows I get tired of the obsession with looks we have some days, but as you say we are all social creatures, and become susceptible on one level or another to try to be as lovable as possible.   
 
As to the health issue, it is true everyone ought to be mobile enough to do what they need to do in terms of work and exercise.   I'm not all that supportive of people enjoying food and calling it a problem though.   M

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 8:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's never about the weight you carry, but more about the weight you put on others, in my opinion.
Some people make unwarranted accusations. for example, that is a heavy weight to carry, when proved wrong and realizing the people they have hurt.
Heaviness is what you/we are and that's not a wieght to bare.
Stupidity and Bias are....in my humble opinon.
The scales are true...Kevin

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 8:17:25 PM   
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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/23/2006 11:07:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fastlane
It's never about the weight you carry, but more about the weight you put on others, in my opinion.
Huh???????  You know Kevin I had you blocked, but got curious to your posts following mine over and over again. 
quote:

Some people make unwarranted accusations. for example, that is a heavy weight to carry, when proved wrong and realizing the people they have hurt.
I generally don't have this problem, but thanks for worrying.
quote:

Heaviness is what you/we are and that's not a wieght to bare
That's deep, LOL
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Stupidity and Bias are....in my humble opinon.
Kevin
You should know better than anyone.
I'm not sure why you're posting in response to me, but my approach was going to be stear clear of you.   If you stear clear of me as well, we'll get along famously; otherwise, I still have your email to me copied.  
Your level of cynicism amazes me honestly.   M

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/24/2006 1:19:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fastlane

It's never about the weight you carry, but more about the weight you put on others, in my opinion.
Some people make unwarranted accusations. for example, that is a heavy weight to carry, when proved wrong and realizing the people they have hurt.
Heaviness is what you/we are and that's not a wieght to bare.
Stupidity and Bias are....in my humble opinon.
The scales are true...Kevin


Kevin.....

Not sure what's up with you, but the cryptic posts to M do not serve you well at all. She is my friend and among the finest, nicest, loving and most understanding women I've ever met on the internet.

My suggestion to you is that you act as though you are a gentleman and apologize to her immediately, for the crapy e-mail you sent her, before you are embarrassed by it.

I know you are upset because she came right out and told you what she thought a while back in that thread, but hell, what might have you expected from a situation like that. You know how women feel in situations such as those, I know you do.


Do the right thing.


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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/24/2006 2:18:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just by sheer numbers alone, we (and I mean both men and women) are obsessed by weight...ours and others.  I don't get it.  People need to stop obsessing and start learning to love themselves or do something to make them love themselves.  Yes, losing weight is difficult, very difficult.  So is stopping smoking, quitting drinking, quitting gambling, etc.  And I do realize that some people have medical conditions or medication issues that make them gain weight and stay heavy.  If that's the case, and there is truly nothing you can do about it, then you simply have to learn to love yourself the way you are.  If, on the other hand, you like the way your (and I am speaking in general terms) body looks, then that's wonderful.  Don't worry what other people think about it.  Yes, women are built different than men.  We need to embrace and love that difference.

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/24/2006 5:43:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		My friend has serius thyroid problems, he used to be obese he lost alot of weight by eating less than he burns and hitting the treadmill. That being said I dont care how you look, its how you carry yourself. 

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/24/2006 6:12:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not what society as a whole considers "thin" but nor do I fall into the "fat" category either.  I have wide hips, big breasts (which are just bags of fat anyway) and a narrow-ish waiste.  I stand at 6' and weigh 240 lbs.  No one believes me when I tell them my weight because of my height and body shape.  I carry it well.  I personally don't give a rat's hind end what other people see when they look at me.  I grew up in a household where my mother was a weight fanatic.  She'd diet and diet down to about 80 lbs then she'd gain up to 140 lbs.  She used to criticize me for being 190lbs when I was at my most fit and athletic.  It took some time to let go of HER issues with weight. 
I think the media plays too big a role in how women look at themselves.  If you watch E-Entertainment and shows like that, you'll see a trend is starting in Hollywood where the "healthy" look is coming in.  Popular actors are finally standing up and saying "Screw you, I don't want to look like a walking skeleton, this is me deal with it."  I say BRAVA!
If more women were more accepting of their bodies and shapes the end result would be fewer women and teen-age girls starving themselves to death.
The advantage I see to being the size I am is I can use that in my lifestyle.  Not just BDSM either.  I've been a bartender for quite a few years, and trust me, my size came in handy many many times when it came to breaking up trouble.   I, personally, don't care to be any smaller than I am.  I go to the gym to keep toned up, not to shrink down. 

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/24/2006 6:13:48 AM   
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The weight issue is an odd one for me to wrangle with, because I see it from many points of view. I’m currently overweight, and it’s absolutely for 2 reasons. 1, my medication has a side effect of weight gain, and 2, I hate cooking and often (ok, almost daily) take the easy route through the drive-through. (Yes, I really do hate cooking that much.) Although, I have lately begun getting salads instead.
My weight doesn’t make me miserable or hate myself in any way. I prefer to be plump over thin any day. But it’s always a bummer to not fit in last year’s clothes.

In general, weight isn’t an issue for me in my relationships with others. I like seeing people with meat on their bones. I like seeing people healthy. At the same time, I don't feel that others view me the same way, even when they do.

In my particular geographical region (and I hear from others’ areas as well), bariatric surgery is all the rage. Locally, we have a support group for friends and family of bariatric patients. I attended a few times and was really surprised that there were about 30 - 40 people there. Most had the same ‘complaint’ that their loved one had become selfish, uncaring, and cold after the surgery. The dynamics and examples were infinite. It really got me to wondering what we, as a society, have sacrificed for the sake of "thinness" and it makes me even more hesitant to pursue beauty in the form of outward appearance.

I see a lot of benefits in being round. I don’t mean obese to the point of health problems, but in being "BBW", or chunky, or plump. When I see the human body plumped out, I find it so much more attractive than toothpick thin. It looks more healthy, rounded, curvaceous and sexy. I like terms like "voluptuous". It’s rare that the female body arouses me, but when I see a gal about 5’4" who weighs in at 160 – 180 it’s very arousing.

A prime example of my disappointment in the skinny-trend is Kirstie Alley. That woman was damn hot at 190. Now, she just blend in with the supermodel crowd and isn’t even noticeable. She looks scrawny and "just another chick on TV". I think it’s such a shame she didn’t recognize how ultimately beautiful she was, and succumbed to the pressure of the poperatzie to be the poster girl for Jenny Craig. With her notoriety, she could have done great things for women, but instead, she chose to support media stereotypes.

Ok, I’ll hop down now and join Tammyjo in the "soapbox preachers here" section.

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RE: Reasons for Weight Problems?? - 5/24/2006 6:27:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know how true it is because I've never studied American fashion history but I have heard that these women's size were originally supposed to relate to age. So a size 12 was for a 12 year, a 16 for a 16 year old and so on.

Over time these sizes have become really very meaningless. I heard someone on tv brag that she worn a 0 size -- what does that even mean? Does that mean she doesn't have a body? Feed that woman a few sandwich before she disappears.

Why don't women have clothing sizes like men? I mean, if I had 20 different sizes of pants to chose from maybe I'd find some that fit better instead of one that fit one way around my hips, another length wise, and yet another way thigh-wise.

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