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thompsonx -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 11:38:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Which regulations are you against? The one that requires the empoyee to be in the country legally? The one that requires fire extinguishers in the building? Tahe one that requires a bathroom for the employees? The one that requires a fire alarm? The one that requires hand rails on stairways? Back to the status quo, huh Thompson? How about the sorts of regulations discussed in the OP article, and relevant to the topic at hand? There is only one regulation discussed in your op. The one that requires employers of more than 15 people not to discriminate based on current employment. It would appear from your response to my question that you are quite happy with all the rules and regulations now in place for employers but you are not happy with the employer being denied the ability to discriminate based on current employment. Do you think there are other areas that the employer should be allowed to discriminate such as religion,ethnicity sexual orientation?

mnottertail -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 11:40:08 AM)
since I am dealing in cavils, to be all around, the regulation was mentioned, not discussed.

TheHeretic -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 11:42:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There were no regulations, current or considered discussed in the OP. So what then would you call the President's proposal that dictates how companies may conduct candidate searches, and how the scorned may sue? We were better off drifting into the suicide socialism of Scandinavia, than with this pitiful snarkfest.

SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 11:50:48 AM)
quote: The first time I encountered this notion that the unemployed need federal protections to avoid discrimination, it was coming from Congressman Hank Johnson, the same guy who thought more Marines on Guam would cause the island to tip over, and sink. It seemed right up his alley. Well, in their never-ending quest to divide and polarize the country, the Obama administration picked it up, and it is a provision in the President's jobs proposal. I can appreciate the frustration of the long-term jobless, but I think this is a lousy idea. Living in the stoneage are we? They couldn't be seeking this cause virtually all of the bailed out companies as well as a decent percentage of those sitting on stimulus money now have a policy of refusing resumes from the unemployed. Yeah, they're bums, so make em get jobs. Then Oh Wait, they are the cause of the recession, so why should we hire them. And when they ask for something out of the money (MOST of the unemployed were TAXPAYERS in 08) THEY have paid into the system that helped make these bailouts possible, they're bums again? I won't even comment as to the intelligence this right wing all over the place mentality speaks to. Why should I? It's SELF-EVIDENT.

mnottertail -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 11:52:29 AM)
the scorned can sue regardless, and the proposal does not dictate how companies may conduct candidtate searches, any more than than Cains proposals mean we are on a 9-9-9. The mention of sociialism (as you often do) is not the discussion of it. I think that the exclusion of people from employment for ANY REASON is a disservice to the people AND the employers. It is inefficient and arbitrary, and may miss some large diamonds in the rough sand, and is not helpful to our country to take those attitudes.

SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:10:01 PM)
quote: So what then would you call the President's proposal that dictates how companies may conduct candidate searches, and how the scorned may sue? We were better off drifting into the suicide socialism of Scandinavia, than with this pitiful snarkfest. Hahahahaha ... I spoke with a lawyer at the rally Saturday who is a labor lawyer for big labor who was a close friend. And he's with one of the biggest pro-business firms in the northeast ... While I won't mention his name, the firm is Morse Barnes Brown Pendleton. he told me he was in the middle of a nationwide debate among employment law experts on the very topic. And he feels that some time very soon they may start advising their clients against the practice of discriminating against unemployed Americans because by sheer number, they already represent a 'class' and may soon win a case where they would then be considered a De facto minority. And what's really is that the only witness for the prosecution might be their OWN HR people bragging in their own name to Business Week, Time, Forbes, etc[:D] Taking bailout or stimulus money and refusing to even consider the unemployed is just beyond the pale.

thompsonx -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:11:57 PM)
quote: Thompson, I think you understand the business of driving better than your question would indicate. That you do not is obvious Both may be delivery jobs at the root, but they are different worlds. How often do we see a school bus driver get out and run? Every time they stop they get out of the bus and hold up a stop sign while the kids are crossing the street. How often do you see a fed-ex driver play chicken with commuters with nothing but a sign for protection. How often do we see a Fed-Ex van stopping for the railroad crossing? California Vehicle Code § 22452.5 - lists the exceptions to the comercial vehicles that are not required to stop at rail crossings. It's the difference between hauling hazmat, and delivering pizza. Take somebody who isn't already sharp with running bigger vehicles, Even the "short yellow bus" is bigger than a fed -ex delivery van. put them into the stress of learning much more complicated routes, Every fed-ex truck I have ever seen in recent memory had a garman or some other navigation equipmnt. on an a far more intense kind of pace, Yes I can almost(but not quite) imagine all those fed-ex packages acting like children on a school bus. Yaknow throwing things,shouting,fighting while double parking and leapfrogging that rig through weird little parking lots... It is the same license whether you drive for fed-ex or the school district. If you want a hazmat endorsment then go take the class and get the endorsment.

SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:12:13 PM)
quote: We were better off drifting into the suicide socialism of Scandinavia, than with this pitiful snarkfest. You won't get to join us in Scandinavia, my friend ... though Ron and I have picked out a country for you that does begin with an "S.... Dress warm[:D]

lobodomslavery -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:16:35 PM)
Remind me what is the first tenet of the American constitution, I think it goes like this we stand before the people here present that all men ( women included) we are talking mankind are created equal. Hmm very idealistic , wonderful rhetoric shame you violate this principle in almost every action you carry out from over paying under performing staff to treating the majority who after all keep the country on the road like cattle, tax tax and more tax, not to mention disenfranchise the rest who dont fit in to your cumbersome world view of capitalism money markets, team players, where was the solidarity when we most needed hey, not much leadership during the sub prime mortgage crisis thats for sure which to my memory snowballed into the worst recession since 1929 which is affecting the world today but how and ever i guess that s not America's fault, it just so happened in your land, good old uncle same is never to blame for anything of course, what is this system of capitalism oh yes it originates in America and what a wonderful success it has been, simply delightful, so delightful that millions are out of work as a result of this monster which pays the top brass huge money with shag all responsibilities and sure if it doesnt work out the good old taxpayer will bail them out, and the bottom brass peanuts with huge responsibilities attached and sanctions for failure to meet targets, targets which none of the top farts ever meet, very egalitarian altogether, America the land of the free is a magnificent example , priding itself on capital punishment, rank injustice, as witnessed by the number of prisoners in America who are actually mentally ill, and jobs for those who are at the top and pain for everyone else, yeah America is sure a model. NOT not by a long way. It s your system that has successfully stuffed up the world economy, thank you kevin

lobodomslavery -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:18:52 PM)
Unfortunately the imbeciles at the top dont see this, and continue to allow the incompetent to make even more mistakes and load it on to the taxpayer with no accountability except for those at the bottom who are the VICTIMS of hierarchical incompetence, not the CAUSES of the recession kevin

mnottertail -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:29:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: We were better off drifting into the suicide socialism of Scandinavia, than with this pitiful snarkfest. You won't get to join us in Scandinavia, my friend ... though Ron and I have picked out a country for you that does begin with an "S.... Dress warm[:D] Yeah, except that this is dishonest. Norways male suicide rates are lower than those of the US. Their female suicides are higher. Now it is interesting. Does the female Norwegian say, "I live in a socio-democratic country, therefore I am the problem and I am going to kill myself?" Does the male Norwegian say, 'Goddamn!!! The governmental regulations are causing me such mental anguish I need to hang myself'. Is that what the facts indicate? Not in what I have read. Now the question arises, is the male suicide rate in the US demonstrably lower every time there is a republican president and congress? Possibly, the civil war deaths couldn't be considered suicides, could they? The causality does not seem to be based on form or compostition of government.

thompsonx -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:32:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Would you mind terribly if I don't go quote by quote? I'm afraid I just don't have the time. No problem: I realize with your nearly 20,000 post you just do not have the time to actually engage someone who may disagree with you. I'd rather have the person with the work history. We were not discussing work history but the period that the applicant had been unemployed durring this recession.

TheHeretic -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 12:38:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper Living in the stoneage are we? When you have something to offer besides ad hominem and what some dude you talked with at the rally said, do let me know.

TheHeretic -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:06:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Do you think there are other areas that the employer should be allowed to discriminate such as religion,ethnicity sexual orientation? Why don't you tell us instead, Thompson, how those forms of discrimination have any relationship to this? Do a good job with it, because the old status quo with your form of contribution to the discussion is looking pretty good.

thompsonx -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:14:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Do you think there are other areas that the employer should be allowed to discriminate such as religion,ethnicity sexual orientation? Why don't you tell us instead, Thompson, how those forms of discrimination have any relationship to this? Descrimination is descriminaion...you are the one whining about the proposed new regulations not me. The question to you remains unanswered. As always if you feel unable or unwilling to support your opinions then of course you are aware of where the block button is.

TheHeretic -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:15:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx That you do not is obvious Actually, Thompson, I made my living behind the wheel for many years, including as a trainer in specialized operations. By your pretence of ignorance in how the word "van" is applied to cargo vehicles, while you then go on to point out the entirely different forms of dangers and distractions between the professions, what is obvious is that you are more interested in seeking perpetual disagreement, than you are in discussion. Do have a lovely day.

thompsonx -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:22:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx That you do not is obvious Actually, Thompson, I made my living behind the wheel for many years, including as a trainer in specialized operations. You obviously did not learn much basd on your post concerning the alleged differences between driving a fed-ex van and a school bus. By your pretence of ignorance in how the word "van" is applied to cargo vehicles, California dmv is pretty clear how they define the different sorts of motor vehicles. while you then go on to point out the entirely different forms of dangers and distractions between the professions, The profession is driver. If the applicant has the proper license and endorsments there is no difference of "professions" What a t what is obvious is that you are more interested in seeking perpetual disagreement, than you are in discussion. I only disagree with you when you are wrong.

SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:37:39 PM)
quote: When you have something to offer besides ad hominem and what some dude you talked with at the rally said, do let me know. Framing things again? My question about whatr time period you live in is RELEVANT When you read what follows. Please stop playing set-up artist on this site

TheHeretic -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:40:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I only disagree with you when you are wrong. While I find your posts overwhelmingly disagreeable, no matter who you are addressing, or on what topic.

mnottertail -> RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias (10/10/2011 1:44:14 PM)
Perhaps he is going for the H. L. Mencken curmudgeonlyism award?

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