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willbeurdaddy -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:11:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

What the hell are you talking about?  Because if you are talking about hunting down Al Qaeda members like the dogs they are, I believe that is the single best thing Obama has done in his whole presidency.  And by the way, your paraphrase is very insulting to victims of the holocaust.  


Obama didn't do anything.
Good job Navy Seals.




bush gave up on bin-laden.Closed the bin-laden unit of the CIA........FAIL!!!

President Obama odered Panetta to go after bin-laden......success.

It`s about leadership Pops,something you`ve forgotten....or never learned about.


Bush didnt chase bin-Laden through caves, costing hundreds if not thousands of lives in an unwinnable quest. He knew he would turn up eventually, without the cost. A+


Obama made the only possible political decision C

Its about reality, O, a place you dont visit often.



SternSkipper -> RE: First they came... (10/10/2011 5:11:51 PM)

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TO paraphrase:
first they decided they could kill those they named as terrorists without bothering with due process of law because they were a "danger to the American state" and we did not protest because we aren't terrorists. Then they decided to kill child molesters without trial because they are worse than murderers, but we did not protest because they were

CrazyTalk<tm>
You want to talk chickens and spaghetti while the Boston Massacre is about to br recreated... Happy 18th Post BTW.

What's prohibition got to do with OBama anyway?




SternSkipper -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:13:23 PM)

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Bush didnt chase bin-Laden through caves, costing hundreds if not thousands of lives in an unwinnable quest. He knew he would turn up eventually, without the cost. A+

All of that being HIGHLY classified to this day. One asks the logical question HOW the fuck do you know?




Lucylastic -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:14:25 PM)

WHAT???
now that is revisionary history at its FINEST ...........BULLSHIT
[image]http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/207546/support-that-complete-and-utter-bullshit.jpg[/image]



barelynangel -> RE: First they came... (10/10/2011 5:20:34 PM)

Okay stupid question, where did the OP quote that quote?  I don't see her quoting a quote, i see her interpreting what was said.

Big difference.

angel



tazzygirl -> RE: First they came... (10/10/2011 5:22:49 PM)

Benjamin Franklin said it well:
Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.



Politesub53 -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:23:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Bush didnt chase bin-Laden through caves, costing hundreds if not thousands of lives in an unwinnable quest. He knew he would turn up eventually, without the cost. A+


Obama made the only possible political decision C

Its about reality, O, a place you dont visit often.



I hope the new rules let us point out your abject stupidity.

1) Didnt you hear about Tora Bora ? You know...the caves Bush sent troops into.

2) How many hundreds, if not ( stiffles a laugh) thousands of lives did Obama lose getting Bin Laden.

3) Yes he turned up eventually, because Obama made it a priority to catch him.



barelynangel -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:28:11 PM)

Tazzy that ISN'T a quote.  Do you see quotation marks or even a CM quote box.  For all we know the OP was simply placing her own interpretation and she believes that is what he said.

Perhaps instead of rushing in to try and make people look like an idiot and so how smart you are with research on the internet, you find out if someone actually has misquoted something or if they simply interpreted something.

Just a thought. 

angel




tazzygirl -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:29:18 PM)

Hell angel, half the time I post direct quotes, I dont use quotation markes nor the quote feature here.

Did ole Ben boy say that? Nope.... then He didnt "say it well" now did he?



willbeurdaddy -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:31:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Bush didnt chase bin-Laden through caves, costing hundreds if not thousands of lives in an unwinnable quest. He knew he would turn up eventually, without the cost. A+


Obama made the only possible political decision C

Its about reality, O, a place you dont visit often.



I hope the new rules let us point out your abject stupidity.

1) Didnt you hear about Tora Bora ? You know...the caves Bush sent troops into.

2) How many hundreds, if not ( stiffles a laugh) thousands of lives did Obama lose getting Bin Laden.

3) Yes he turned up eventually, because Obama made it a priority to catch him.


1. Yes, and one of the reasons he declined to pursue him further.
2. I never said he did.
3. Bullshit, he turned up because of intelligence gathered under Bush's policies, and he decided to flee the caves.

Now let us point out your inability to start a post to me without a personal insult. Can it...now.



jlf1961 -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:38:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

What the hell are you talking about?  Because if you are talking about hunting down Al Qaeda members like the dogs they are, I believe that is the single best thing Obama has done in his whole presidency.  And by the way, your paraphrase is very insulting to victims of the holocaust.  


Obama didn't do anything.
Good job Navy Seals.




bush gave up on bin-laden.Closed the bin-laden unit of the CIA........FAIL!!!

President Obama odered Panetta to go after bin-laden......success.

It`s about leadership Pops,something you`ve forgotten....or never learned about.


Bush didnt chase bin-Laden through caves, costing hundreds if not thousands of lives in an unwinnable quest. He knew he would turn up eventually, without the cost. A+


Obama made the only possible political decision C

Its about reality, O, a place you dont visit often.


Bush made it clear TWICE he did not care about catching Osama Bin Laden.
To refresh your memory:


"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)



barelynangel -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:45:40 PM)

Tazzy, when i see people post without quotes, i presume they are interpreting the words of someone.  Whether or not you identify things you write as actual quotes doesn't mean everyone does.

But i am sure you feel better correcting the OP and then fighting about the wording of the quote instead of perhaps what it means (which may be what the OP was doing) lol.  I just went to read the thread and saw this fight about a quote and saw no quote to fight over.

Oh well. It would be interesting to know how you believe the OP's comment doesn't speak to the meaning of the quote.  I mean that quote can be taken in very many different ways which is why there is such a difference in what the quote actually is. 

angel



Politesub53 -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:47:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


1. Yes, and one of the reasons he declined to pursue him further.
2. I never said he did.
3. Bullshit, he turned up because of intelligence gathered under Bush's policies, and he decided to flee the caves.

Now let us point out your inability to start a post to me without a personal insult. Can it...now.



First you make an assinine post, actually several.

Then when i point out a few errors you dont like it.

Next you call me a liar suggesting I havent posted evidence.

When I point it I did infact give a link you ignore my reply ( no surprise there )

When i call you on your next absurd claim, you make a comment regards my posts, hoping the admin will spot it.

If you cant back your own claims with evidence, expect me to call you on it. It is called debating..

As for your claims above re Bin Laden....simply no evidence and once again, laughable.

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And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.


Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead



barelynangel -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:52:50 PM)

There have ALWAYS been people from our government looking for Osama Bin Laden.   Did it ever occur to you that Bush's media lack of attention could have been a strategy?

Obama did not find Osama Bin Laden.  He does not deserve the credit for same. DO NOT disrespect those who risked their lives to go in and get him by giving Obama credit.  He does deserve acknowledgment of being the President when Osama was caught, he can even be given having a PART a very small part, in it as Commander in Chief. 

As for the OP, i in part agree, i think that our society is becoming way to government controlled.  I do believe the scum who are guilty deserve trials as much as the not-guilty do.  However, i do believe the government is sanctioning too much of what they are allowed to do in the name of terrorism.

I do believe we need a president who will turn the government back over to the people.  But more so, i believe the PEOPLE of the U.S need to start taking responsibility for their part in what our country has become.

angel



Politesub53 -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 5:57:17 PM)

If Bush had a strategy, by your own logic it must have failed, since it didnt get a result. You need to read the link in the post above yours.

As for a very small part, get a grip. HObama ordered the CIA to make catching Bin Laden, he then ordered a raid which, if it had gone wrong, would have ended his career, as Iran did for Carter........ Some "very small part" huh



Owner59 -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 6:07:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

There have ALWAYS been people from our government looking for Osama Bin Laden.   Did it ever occur to you that Bush's media lack of attention could have been a strategy?

Obama did not find Osama Bin Laden.  He does not deserve the credit for same. DO NOT disrespect those who risked their lives to go in and get him by giving Obama credit.  He does deserve acknowledgment of being the President when Osama was caught, he can even be given having a PART a very small part, in it as Commander in Chief. 

As for the OP, i in part agree, i think that our society is becoming way to government controlled.  I do believe the scum who are guilty deserve trials as much as the not-guilty do.  However, i do believe the government is sanctioning too much of what they are allowed to do in the name of terrorism.

I do believe we need a president who will turn the government back over to the people.  But more so, i believe the PEOPLE of the U.S need to start taking responsibility for their part in what our country has become.

angel

Closing the CIA`s bin-laden unit......to throw bin-laden off........

Brilliant!

Obama told Panetta to refocus on and find bin-laden and they did.


The president doesn`t get credit for firing the gun.He get`s credit for the leadership.President Obama get`s credit for putting the right intel resources together.


Netanyahu Congratulates Obama on Bin Laden Killing



tazzygirl -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 6:10:22 PM)

What she posted was close .. but no cigar. Its a misquote found in abundance on the web. And what she posted is verbatim.




tazzygirl -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 6:12:37 PM)

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I just went to read the thread and saw this fight about a quote and saw no quote to fight over.


There was no fight. Curious that you believed so. Many of us can have a difference of opinion, even a strong one, and not consider it a fight.

~shrugs




barelynangel -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 6:13:39 PM)

So you presume?  and you want to be the research queen.  One would think your first step in research is to know whether or not the research you are doing is even needed.

angel



tazzygirl -> RE: FIrst they came... (10/10/2011 6:15:23 PM)

Presume what?

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7hH0lZNOUUEAzw5XNyoA?p=franklin+Those+who+desire+to+give+up+freedom+in+order+to+gain+security+will+not+have%2C+nor+do+they+deserve%2C+either+one&fr=crmas&fr2=sb-top&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=31&xa=5xxg9JJNoTt9wkT9aAw1Ww--,1318381428

Site after site after site of the same misinformation?

What presumption is in that?



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