RE: Internet Crimes and Torts

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Internet Crimes and Torts

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 6:39:59 AM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

pink you really should have spoken to a computer professional. How do you know he has not left himself a backdoor?

quote:

Agreed, the machine should be examined by a computer professional, one that is fully versed in security protocols. Beyond that, a complete reformat and re-install of your software, including firewall, virus and security protection would not be out of the question. Also making sure that if you are using a Windows based system, all patches for your particular OS have been installed.

feastie

i live on a fixed income and this occurred during the winter, when i had to divert funds to pay the heating bill. However, i changed my nick to "shyster" and in the beginning my profile was all about the dangers of chatting on-line and being hacked. MANY Doms and Masters came to my aid; and amoung Them was a computer security specialist. i took every possible precaution, but in the end, if this Man wants to resume His previous conduct, i have no doubt He can and He will. However, this time He's going to have to work much, much harder to accomplish it. i am told this is as safe as A/anyone can be. There is no "no fly zone" for A/anyone on the 'net.

The Men who helped me became dear friends and are extremely protective of me in general to this day. It's true what they say; "every cloud has a silver lining".

candystripper

< Message edited by candystripper -- 5/26/2006 6:42:18 AM >

(in reply to feastie)

Post #: 21

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 8:49:10 AM

juliaoceania

Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline

My stalker was also very good with computers. He was the last person I dated in a vanilla way before I found my former Dom (or he found me..lol). He did follow me around the internet and I could not prove what he was doing, but he hacked my former dom several times.... and there was nothing that could be done about it. I thought he was a friend, and I did not realize he carried a torch for me...*sighs*. There are some real creeps out there, and some of them you wouldn't know how creepy they can be until it is too late

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to candystripper)

Post #: 22

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 9:25:22 AM

meatcleaver

Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline

I pursued someone for an apology and explaination and she went round saying I was stalking her. I think she liked seeing herself as a victim, she was a social worker so she perceived the world to be divided between abuser and victim. She told me what I was doing was illegal. I told her I'd be happy to see her in court and let the world know my story, just tell me which police station I should report to. Of course, the one thing she wasn't prepared to do was to let people know what she really did. She was really protective of her bourgeois public image and her nice responsible job where she could dish men for their abuse of women, when she was nothing but liar, a hypocrite and a malicious trickster herself. I never did get an apology which was all I required to forget she ever existed in the first place. It seems she enjoyed me pursuing her, it validated her.

(in reply to juliaoceania)

Post #: 23

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 11:05:18 AM

Arpig

Posts: 9930
Joined: 1/3/2006
From: Increasingly further from reality
Status: offline

The most important thing to remember regarding internet "crimes" is that it is the laws where the person doing the misdeed that apply, therefore what is indeed illegal where you are may not be where the person doing whatever ir is happens to be.

_____________________________

Big man! Pig Man!
Ha Ha...Charade you are!

Why do they leave out the letter b on "Garage Sale" signs?

CM's #1 All-Time Also-Ran

(in reply to candystripper)

Post #: 24

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 12:01:28 PM

Lordandmaster

Posts: 10943
Joined: 6/22/2004
Status: offline

That's not true. If, for the sake of argument, it weren't illegal to stalk someone in Nebraska, someone using the internet to stalk you from Nebraska could still be brought up on charges in your state. Or someone using a Nigerian server to defraud you in the U.S. can still be brought up on charges in the U.S. Human-trafficking indictments are another example of this principle. An American tourist agency was recently raided for selling pay-for-sex trips to Thailand--where paying for sex is not illegal. (I'll find the reference if you're interested.)

In fact, the real warning should be stood on its head: just because something isn't illegal in your jurisdiction doesn't mean you can't be brought up on charges in another jurisdiction if you're using the internet to communicate with someone there.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

The most important thing to remember regarding internet "crimes" is that it is the laws where the person doing the misdeed that apply, therefore what is indeed illegal where you are may not be where the person doing whatever ir is happens to be.

< Message edited by Lordandmaster -- 5/26/2006 12:03:47 PM >

(in reply to Arpig)

Post #: 25

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 1:27:00 PM

juliaoceania

Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline

There are MANY people I think owe me an apology, but usually I wouldnt bother to give these same people the time of day, much less follow them around. I never have any trouble facing the music for whatever I do, and if you demanded an apology from me and harassed me to get one and I did not want to give you one, I would have filed charges against you in a heart beat. Then again, I wouldnt trouble myself over what someone else does,.. their Kharma to work out, not for me to worry on.

I think if someone says "Leave me alone" you should leave them alone. There really isnt anything they could do to justify pestering them continually. There is no law stating someone has to apologize to anyone... they may be owed an apology... but life is unfair and people are unkind. You can't force your will on anyone.

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Post #: 26

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 3:51:11 PM

meatcleaver

Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline

It's difficult to leave someone alone who could have been straight with me instead of watching me throw $150,000 away. This took place over a five month period so it was not as if it was a miscommunication or not pre-meditated. For whatever reason, she decided to mislead me for that whole period of time while we discussed plans in detail. The reason I pursued her through email and on the phone was because if I confronted her in person I would have ripped her head off. In fact the first six months I phoned her once a month and I was very polite. It was only when she said I was crazy I showed any anger. Well I think I had a 150,000 reasons to be angry with her. Now I have stopped.

You are right, you can't force someone to apologise but if I ever see an opportunity to get even with her that is none violent I will and I don't care about any damn law and I don't care how long it takes. For what her lies cost me, I think an explaination and an apology was cheap at the price.

At the time I was new to the internet. I didn't know about online relationships, forums, nothing. She had treated me like a heap of shit. Now I realise that people treat other people like a heap of shit on the internet because they feel they can get away with it. People who wouldn't normally treat people like a heap of shit in their everyday life treat people like a heap of shit on the internet. It appears to be par for the course. Well, one day she is going to be in for a surprise. I go to California regularly and when I can trust myself to remain in control she is going to meet me and tell me to my face why she thought it was acceptable to mislead me like she did. This happened a few years ago and my blood is still boiling. It isn't a case of bruised ego. I can live with a bruised ego, it was her planned maliciousness that keeps this boiling inside me.

< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 5/26/2006 4:36:39 PM >

(in reply to juliaoceania)

Post #: 27

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 7:31:13 PM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

I pursued someone for an apology and explaination and she went round saying I was stalking her. I think she liked seeing herself as a victim, she was a social worker so she perceived the world to be divided between abuser and victim. She told me what I was doing was illegal. I told her I'd be happy to see her in court and let the world know my story, just tell me which police station I should report to. Of course, the one thing she wasn't prepared to do was to let people know what she really did. She was really protective of her bourgeois public image and her nice responsible job where she could dish men for their abuse of women, when she was nothing but liar, a hypocrite and a malicious trickster herself. I never did get an apology which was all I required to forget she ever existed in the first place. It seems she enjoyed me pursuing her, it validated her.

Meatcleaver

You know MC, most P/pl have been divorced, and most divorces are nasty. There are some real heart-breaking stories of Fathers alienated from Their little ones, etc. However i read Your posts fairly regularly and You are beginning to come across as a mysoginist. Maybe You should take some time and deal with Your emotional baggage. JMHO.

candystripper

< Message edited by candystripper -- 5/26/2006 7:39:51 PM >

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Post #: 28

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/26/2006 7:38:33 PM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

It's difficult to leave someone alone who could have been straight with me instead of watching me throw $150,000 away. This took place over a five month period so it was not as if it was a miscommunication or not pre-meditated. For whatever reason, she decided to mislead me for that whole period of time while we discussed plans in detail. The reason I pursued her through email and on the phone was because if I confronted her in person I would have ripped her head off. In fact the first six months I phoned her once a month and I was very polite. It was only when she said I was crazy I showed any anger. Well I think I had a 150,000 reasons to be angry with her. Now I have stopped.

You are right, you can't force someone to apologise but if I ever see an opportunity to get even with her that is none violent I will and I don't care about any damn law and I don't care how long it takes. For what her lies cost me, I think an explaination and an apology was cheap at the price.

At the time I was new to the internet. I didn't know about online relationships, forums, nothing. She had treated me like a heap of shit. Now I realise that people treat other people like a heap of shit on the internet because they feel they can get away with it. People who wouldn't normally treat people like a heap of shit in their everyday life treat people like a heap of shit on the internet. It appears to be par for the course. Well, one day she is going to be in for a surprise. I go to California regularly and when I can trust myself to remain in control she is going to meet me and tell me to my face why she thought it was acceptable to mislead me like she did. This happened a few years ago and my blood is still boiling. It isn't a case of bruised ego. I can live with a bruised ego, it was her planned maliciousness that keeps this boiling inside me.

Meatcleaver

You're beginning to sound whiney. Enough about the money already. Maybe she was a con artist and there was no malice involved. The statue of limitations has probably run on her , if she was acting criminally, and so why carry on about it?

Get a gripe...a Dominant Man has self control. A mature adult knows life sucks s'times and moves on. i was in fear for my life and the lives of others i cared for....what is that compared to money? Had i had it, i would have galdly paid off my hacker to leave me and mine alone.

candystripper

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Post #: 29

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 2:22:43 AM

meatcleaver

Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline

I'm just addressing the issue of the OP. That just because something is defined as a crime doesn't mean there isn't some justification behind the motives of the person committing a 'crime'.

I never said she acted or was acting criminally. I said she acted maliciously. Maybe hiding behind the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law is the American way, I don't know but I've never noticed Americans letting go of an issue once they have been injured.

I really don't care how I come across on this issue though I've said enough on it but she will get her just rewards.

And one of the reasons for my way of dealing with this issue is so she never does what she did to me to anyone else. Now she knows there is consequence to her dispicable actions and that is nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with the type of person she is!

< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 5/27/2006 2:46:16 AM >

(in reply to candystripper)

Post #: 30

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 10:42:16 AM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

I really don't care how I come across on this issue though I've said enough on it but she will get her just rewards.

Meatcleaver

If You read my posts, You'll see "i have folllowed Your posts in other threads and You are beginning to sound like a mysoginist."

Mysoginy is repugnant to me. Do You require a dictionary definition of the word?

candystripper

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Post #: 31

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 3:41:38 PM

meatcleaver

Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

I really don't care how I come across on this issue though I've said enough on it but she will get her just rewards.

Meatcleaver

If You read my posts, You'll see "i have folllowed Your posts in other threads and You are beginning to sound like a mysoginist."

Mysoginy is repugnant to me. Do You require a dictionary definition of the word?

candystripper

You're repugnent to me too with your PC crap. What are you, misandrist, suprematist, pissed off bitch?

I've done everything I want to do here anyway miss sensual erotica.

(in reply to candystripper)

Post #: 32

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 3:53:53 PM

Lordandmaster

Posts: 10943
Joined: 6/22/2004
Status: offline

I've known pink for years. She's not misandrist. She's not supremacist, either. (And check your dictionary--people tend not to take you seriously when you misuse your choicest words. Suprematism is a school of Russian art.) She couldn't be further from either one of those, actually.

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

You're repugnent to me too with your PC crap. What are you, misandrist, suprematist, pissed off bitch?

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Post #: 33

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 4:52:19 PM

SirKenin

Posts: 2994
Joined: 10/31/2004
From: Barrie, ON Canada
Status: offline

The Law is one thing I have extensive experience in actually, I do not recall any of it being for good reasons. I have extensive knowledge of Family Law, being embroiled in bitter battles and taking other people through their own nasties.

I have extensive knowledge of the Tenant Protection Act, mostly thanks to rogue landlords and crappy neighbors, but other from representing others.

I have a reasonable amount of experience with Criminal Law, thanks both to being a horrible youngster that got into consistent trouble when I was kicked out of the house. I just snapped and went on a rampage that eventually landed Me in jail and probation. In My adult life I was accused and convicted of a crime I did not even commit, mostly thanks to having a lawyer that did not do his homework and thought the whole thing would be a walk in the park. Hrmph. Two years probation and a record later, if he had only done all the homework and used the information available to him, I would have been a free man. Thanks to the way Canadian Law works, I am not even allowed to appeal it, so I am screwed.

I have had no trouble with other types of Law, but I like to help others when I can.

< Message edited by SirKenin -- 5/27/2006 4:54:26 PM >

_____________________________

Hi. I don't care. Thanks.

Wicca: Pretending to be an ancient religion since 1956

Catholic Church: Serving up guilt since 107 AD.

(in reply to feastie)

Post #: 34

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 5:44:48 PM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

I really don't care how I come across on this issue though I've said enough on it but she will get her just rewards.

Meatcleaver

If You read my posts, You'll see "i have folllowed Your posts in other threads and You are beginning to sound like a mysoginist."

Mysoginy is repugnant to me. Do You require a dictionary definition of the word?

candystripper

You're repugnent to me too with your PC crap. What are you, misandrist, suprematist, pissed off bitch?

I've done everything I want to do here anyway miss sensual erotica.

Note: end of argument. Unarmed opponent.

candystripper

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Post #: 35

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 5:47:01 PM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I've known pink for years. She's not misandrist. She's not supremacist, either. (And check your dictionary--people tend not to take you seriously when you misuse your choicest words. Suprematism is a school of Russian art.) She couldn't be further from either one of those, actually.

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

You're repugnent to me too with your PC crap. What are you, misandrist, suprematist, pissed off bitch?

<Gets all gooey> TY Lam. Btw i'll give; what's "misandrist" mean? It's not in my crappy dictionary.

candystripper

(in reply to Lordandmaster)

Post #: 36

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 5:51:07 PM

candystripper

Posts: 3486
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

The Law is one thing I have extensive experience in actually, I do not recall any of it being for good reasons. I have extensive knowledge of Family Law, being embroiled in bitter battles and taking other people through their own nasties.

I have extensive knowledge of the Tenant Protection Act, mostly thanks to rogue landlords and crappy neighbors, but other from representing others.

I have a reasonable amount of experience with Criminal Law, thanks both to being a horrible youngster that got into consistent trouble when I was kicked out of the house. I just snapped and went on a rampage that eventually landed Me in jail and probation. In My adult life I was accused and convicted of a crime I did not even commit, mostly thanks to having a lawyer that did not do his homework and thought the whole thing would be a walk in the park. Hrmph. Two years probation and a record later, if he had only done all the homework and used the information available to him, I would have been a free man. Thanks to the way Canadian Law works, I am not even allowed to appeal it, so I am screwed.

I have had no trouble with other types of Law, but I like to help others when I can.

In the USA, most states will permit most criminal convictions to be expunged. You might wish to consult a lawyer -- for free -- to deterrmine if such is the case in Your country/province.

Btw, WHERE'S YOUR AVATAR? Yours is onna my favorites!

candystripper

(in reply to SirKenin)

Post #: 37

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 5:51:52 PM

Lordandmaster

Posts: 10943
Joined: 6/22/2004
Status: offline

It means "hating men." I'm sure it's invented on the basis of "misogynist," but I'd have to look it up. Feminists are often accused of being misandrists.

(in reply to candystripper)

Post #: 38

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/27/2006 6:11:48 PM

Level

Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

It means "hating men." I'm sure it's invented on the basis of "misogynist," but I'd have to look it up. Feminists are often accused of being misandrists.

And some of them are lol. Idiots and bigots of race as well as gender can be found everywhere. As for meatcleaver being a misogynist, I'm not sure that's correct, though I could be wrong. More of a case of hating one in particular. I would offer this advice to him; let it go. It sounds like it's harming you, but I'm sure the woman in question doesn't give a damn. I wouldn't want to give someone who wronged me to have that kind of effect on me.

(in reply to Lordandmaster)

Post #: 39

RE: Internet Crimes and Torts - 5/28/2006 12:01:17 PM

meatcleaver

Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline

It's one imparticular because even after several years and a new daughter, every other day I have issues to deal with because I knew her and she acted entirely maliciously. If it was just a break down in a relationship I could forget her but it wasn't.

I guess what winds me up is that I see many issues on the threads which touch a nerve and people give stock answers and responses in which there are real dangers that could affect blissfully naive people for years.

But yes, I need to get over it so I'm taking a break so I don't keep getting my nerves touched with the memory of that woman.

< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 5/28/2006 12:03:13 PM >

(in reply to Level)

Post #: 40

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Internet Crimes and Torts

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.109