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thompsonx -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 10:45:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I did and if you had bothered to actually read my question you would have known that your use of the word is inconsistant with the dictionary meaning.

Sorry I usually pass by your comments.

It's not inconsistent though. Yes even those are technically socialist endeavors, it's just that "we've" agreed on them but I wouldn't call them handouts. I have a hard time taking you serious when you don't know what the term handout means, surely you don't understand a far reaching word such as socialism. There are many variations.

You're not worth the time though and I'll continue to skip your posts.

Since by your own admission, you do not feel intellectually competent to continue this discussion you have made the correct choice in not responding to to questions you are too ignorant to comprehend.






rulemylife -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 12:07:31 PM)

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So a career in the forces isnt a real job.....What a joke.

Technically yes but it's a consumption job, not production.

Creating 1 billion jobs that rely on taxes isn't the same as 1 billion workforce jobs by far.

It's a noble job but that's just the way it is so making more of those in an economy like this and calling them equal is irresponsible.



Bullshit!

The police, the fire departments, the highway crews, etc..

Those are "irresponsible" jobs because they are paid for with government funds?

Who do you think is going to end up paying for those same services if they are privatized?

Compare the cost of what you pay in taxes for your county or city EMT service as opposed to what you would be paying for a private ambulance service.







rulemylife -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 12:33:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


As a rule, the military doesnt manufacture, sell, or export weaponry.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Oh right, the the millions made in exports of military hardware are not jobs. On top of that, the cost of paying for armed forces doesnt come out of taxpayers money, does it ??

The problem with that thinking is you cherry pick what is taxpayers money and what isnt. Not me, I call it as it is in the real world.



So......... Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman and numerous other companies that manufacture military hardware do not provide private sector jobs?







Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 12:37:51 PM)

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Since by your own admission, you do not feel intellectually competent to continue this discussion you have made the correct choice in not responding to to questions you are too ignorant to comprehend.

Nice try but no cigar tommygun.

It's a futile endeavor. Even if I were to show you what socialism was, you'd never agree. So no use in posturing. I know that socialism has many flavors and we essentially to date have a socialist-captalists government and we are ever trying to push towards it more, seemingly.

I'm busy pushing against it and will continue to fight it in every way possible with few limits. Many Americans feel the same way and many more will come to see what's going on in this Nation.

When that happens on a large enough scale, we'll have a change back to what this Nation was founded on.

There may be violence from this time till then. I predict you'll begin to see some soon, I'd say around summer, if things don't get better.

To see this, one has only to look to history and the fall of many.

Now I'm done. With you that is.




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 12:44:41 PM)

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Bullshit!

The police, the fire departments, the highway crews, etc..

Those are "irresponsible" jobs because they are paid for with government funds?

Who do you think is going to end up paying for those same services if they are privatized?

Compare the cost of what you pay in taxes for your county or city EMT service as opposed to what you would be paying for a private ambulance service.

Bullshit yourself if you want to, I prefer my eyes to be open.

Nobody said anything about doing away with them. Yes though, too many of them in an economy like this and touting them as jobs is irresponsible. They provide a wonderful service but they work for us, they don't produce a positive income the same way a corporate or small business job does. They pull money out of everyone's pocket in essentially forced ways.

They provide a needed service but we need as with any government job creation, to pay attention to our budgets concerning them.




thompsonx -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 1:02:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Since by your own admission, you do not feel intellectually competent to continue this discussion you have made the correct choice in not responding to to questions you are too ignorant to comprehend.

Nice try but no cigar tommygun.

Back to the name calling I see...what next...are you going to threaten to beat me up like you threaten women?



It's a futile endeavor. Even if I were to show you what socialism was, you'd never agree.


I did not ask you to show me what socialism is I asked you to tell me your interpretation since you seem to have no clue as to it's actual meaning.

So no use in posturing.

You are the one who is calling people names and threatning them.

I know that socialism has many flavors

And yet you are unable to actually define it.

and we essentially to date have a socialist-captalists government and we are ever trying to push towards it more, seemingly.

And still you cannot define what it is that we are "ever trying to push towards".
Didn't your mom ever tell you not to use words you could not define?


I'm busy pushing against it and will continue to fight it in every way possible with few limits.

How does one push against something they cannot define?

Many Americans feel the same way

Are they as ignorant of the meaning of the words they use as you seem to be?

and many more will come to see what's going on in this Nation.


And what exactly is it that you feel is going on in this nation?

When that happens on a large enough scale, we'll have a change back to what this Nation was founded on.

And what exactly was that? You might want to read the "federalist papers". They might give you some clue as to what principals this country was founded on.

There may be violence from this time till then. I predict you'll begin to see some soon, I'd say around summer, if things don't get better.

There is violence every day...so not much of a prediction.

To see this, one has only to look to history and the fall of many.

And which one of those historical references do you find applicable to the u.s. at this paticular juncture?

Now I'm done. With you that is.

You keep saying that but you seem to enjoy me spanking your ass purple every time you respond to me...it would appear that public humiliation is your thing.
I, being the giver that I am, will continue to help you in your pursuit of your bliss.







Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 1:38:53 PM)

[:D]




thompsonx -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 1:57:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

[:D]


I take that as a thank you for the public spanking I just administered you.
You are welcome




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:00:34 PM)

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/77014418/




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:06:28 PM)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics

I think that's the live stream to the Bloomberg debates on the economy. For anyone that's interested in listening to an economic genius that will no doubt display the ins and outs of Austrian economics and why America will never get on it's feet until we change to that model over Keynesian.

8:00 eastern.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:13:18 PM)

Police/fire/military are jobs. You wouldnt argue that they werent if they were paid for directly by the individuals in their "territories" instead of through taxes. The source of their funding (taxes vs "subscription") is irrelevant in and of itself. The issue is whether that job has a higher/lower/equal net value to those paying for it. In the case of these particular public sector jobs the freerider problem theoretically results in a higher net value when funded via taxes. In practice that may not be true in some areas, thanks to artificially high compensation structures negotiated by unions. They may outweigh the benefits of collecting from the freeriders in those areas.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:15:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics

I think that's the live stream to the Bloomberg debates on the economy. For anyone that's interested in listening to an economic genius that will no doubt display the ins and outs of Austrian economics and why America will never get on it's feet until we change to that model over Keynesian.

8:00 eastern.



If that were so, we would never get back on our feet, because the Austrians are almost as wrong as the Keynesians and its much harder to accomplish.




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:27:42 PM)

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If that were so, we would never get back on our feet, because the Austrians are almost as wrong as the Keynesians and its much harder to accomplish.

Care to elaborate? What model would you use?




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:30:54 PM)

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Police/fire/military are jobs. You wouldnt argue that they werent if they were paid for directly by the individuals in their "territories" instead of through taxes.

I'm not arguing that they aren't, just that they aren't equal to all jobs. I might have mentioned that they were jobs technically.

And yes I would still argue their worth depending on any budget. If we are broke as a Nation then all jobs aren't equal but especially so then.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:35:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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If that were so, we would never get back on our feet, because the Austrians are almost as wrong as the Keynesians and its much harder to accomplish.

Care to elaborate? What model would you use?



Basically the one we had before the "Great Society" started us down the road to socialism.




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:36:17 PM)

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Basically the one we had before the "Great Society" started us down the road to socialism.

Name that model.




farglebargle -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:46:51 PM)

"high compensation structures negotiated by unions."

A.K.A.: Good Paying Jobs For Americans.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:57:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Basically the one we had before the "Great Society" started us down the road to socialism.

Name that model.



There arent names for every shade of economy from libertarian to communist.




mnottertail -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 2:59:21 PM)

The name was the military-industrial complex, and we are riding the bobsled straight to hell along that path.




Icarys -> RE: SPIN METER: Obama disconnects rhetoric, reality (10/11/2011 3:29:06 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdomRyWT_BI&feature=related




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