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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

To all you male doms thinking femsubs should have stayed out of this discussion - at least 6 of us had the same feedback - the requirement to immediately cam was a real turn-off and potential deal breaker. Don't you think this was valuable feedback for the OP?

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

To all you male doms thinking femsubs should have stayed out of this discussion - at least 6 of us had the same feedback - the requirement to immediately cam was a real turn-off and potential deal breaker. Don't you think this was valuable feedback for the OP?

  No, it wasn't.

There are a few reasons, but the first is that there's a telling difference between seeing a strategy outlined and experiencing it first hand.

The second is that ultimately how he wants to conduct himself is his business.  If the strategy wasn't working, he'd no doubt adapt it.  And if he's too proud to adapt a losing strategy, that's entirely his own problem.

The third, is if you want to learn how to seduce women, you talk to men who do so successfully.  You do not talk to women - although there is the occasional exceptionally rare specimen who understands herself well enough to contribute.  Most women lack the self-awareness to understand how and why they're seduced and instead cling to ideas that flatter their ego.  The same applies to the OP's question.

Consider:  When you want to seduce a man, do you ask other men?  Or do you ask a woman who's successful at seducing men?  Your answer to this question dictates how well you understand men and women in general.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
If you want to attract Steve O, you are on the right track. You want an intelligent, thoughtful woman? Lots of learning left for you to do. You don't get us by being abrasive, bullying or chauvinistic.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
What planet are you on? If you want to know how to seduce the oppositie sex, you call on a fried of the opposite sex who is successful at seduction. You also ask your same sex friends for their opinion.

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Of course that only applies if you are to ignorant and stupid to figure it out yourself. The OP and you obviously have trouble attacting woman. Why? Because you run around acting like jack asses. If you want to attract Steve O, you are on the right track. You want an intelligent, thoughtful woman? Lots of learning left for you to do. You don't get us by being abrasive, bullying or chauvinistic.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

To all you male doms thinking femsubs should have stayed out of this discussion - at least 6 of us had the same feedback - the requirement to immediately cam was a real turn-off and potential deal breaker. Don't you think this was valuable feedback for the OP?

  No, it wasn't.

There are a few reasons, but the first is that there's a telling difference between seeing a strategy outlined and experiencing it first hand.

The second is that ultimately how he wants to conduct himself is his business.  If the strategy wasn't working, he'd no doubt adapt it.  And if he's too proud to adapt a losing strategy, that's entirely his own problem.

The third, is if you want to learn how to seduce women, you talk to men who do so successfully.  You do not talk to women - although there is the occasional exceptionally rare specimen who understands herself well enough to contribute.  Most women lack the self-awareness to understand how and why they're seduced and instead cling to ideas that flatter their ego.  The same applies to the OP's question.

Consider:  When you want to seduce a man, do you ask other men?  Or do you ask a woman who's successful at seducing men?  Your answer to this question dictates how well you understand men and women in general.

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

To all you male doms thinking femsubs should have stayed out of this discussion - at least 6 of us had the same feedback - the requirement to immediately cam was a real turn-off and potential deal breaker. Don't you think this was valuable feedback for the OP?

  No, it wasn't.

There are a few reasons, but the first is that there's a telling difference between seeing a strategy outlined and experiencing it first hand.

The second is that ultimately how he wants to conduct himself is his business.  If the strategy wasn't working, he'd no doubt adapt it.  And if he's too proud to adapt a losing strategy, that's entirely his own problem.

The third, is if you want to learn how to seduce women, you talk to men who do so successfully.  You do not talk to women - although there is the occasional exceptionally rare specimen who understands herself well enough to contribute.  Most women lack the self-awareness to understand how and why they're seduced and instead cling to ideas that flatter their ego.  The same applies to the OP's question.

Consider:  When you want to seduce a man, do you ask other men?  Or do you ask a woman who's successful at seducing men?  Your answer to this question dictates how well you understand men and women in general.

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Well, at least the crickets found that funny.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
No, it wasn't.

There are a few reasons, but the first is that there's a telling difference between seeing a strategy outlined and experiencing it first hand.

The second is that ultimately how he wants to conduct himself is his business.  If the strategy wasn't working, he'd no doubt adapt it.  And if he's too proud to adapt a losing strategy, that's entirely his own problem.

The third, is if you want to learn how to seduce women, you talk to men who do so successfully.  You do not talk to women - although there is the occasional exceptionally rare specimen who understands herself well enough to contribute.  Most women lack the self-awareness to understand how and why they're seduced and instead cling to ideas that flatter their ego.  The same applies to the OP's question.

Consider:  When you want to seduce a man, do you ask other men?  Or do you ask a woman who's successful at seducing men?  Your answer to this question dictates how well you understand men and women in general.

• There are not many females here left to hide (I am sure I still have to hide some).
• That sub truly understands what is to be in our position... which is nor better nor worse as hers, but for Gods fucking sake, can't they understand that it is different? That different experiences using different systems are differently useful?
  
• She is not a "desperate housewife" wannabe.

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The second is that ultimately how he wants to conduct himself is his business.  If the strategy wasn't working, he'd no doubt adapt it.  And if he's too proud to adapt a losing strategy, that's entirely his own problem.

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Consider: When you want to seduce a man, do you ask other men? Or do you ask a woman who's successful at seducing men? Your answer to this question dictates how well you understand men and women in general.

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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
No, it wasn't.

There are a few reasons, but the first is that there's a telling difference between seeing a strategy outlined and experiencing it first hand.

The second is that ultimately how he wants to conduct himself is his business.  If the strategy wasn't working, he'd no doubt adapt it.  And if he's too proud to adapt a losing strategy, that's entirely his own problem.

The third, is if you want to learn how to seduce women, you talk to men who do so successfully.  You do not talk to women - although there is the occasional exceptionally rare specimen who understands herself well enough to contribute.  Most women lack the self-awareness to understand how and why they're seduced and instead cling to ideas that flatter their ego.  The same applies to the OP's question.

Consider:  When you want to seduce a man, do you ask other men?  Or do you ask a woman who's successful at seducing men?  Your answer to this question dictates how well you understand men and women in general.

Ok, I give up.

After seeing a second person here whose messages actually make a lot of sense I return to this thread for good, will search the past messages (it will be MUCH easier now [:D]) and will be glad from any feedback.

Of a Master.

Not that I am rejecting, some day, potentially asking subs. But I will take care that...

• There are not many females here left to hide (I am sure I still have to hide some).
  
• That sub truly understands what is to be in our position... which is nor better nor worse as hers, but for Gods fucking sake, can't they understand that it is different? That different experiences using different systems are differently useful?
  
• She is not a "desperate housewife" wannabe.

Under different circumstances I would have enjoyed the intelligent and thoughtful feedback of other girls and subs. I have even changed already my profile taking some observations of females in account! But later all degenerated, and I am very sorry - after seeing what I have seen here, I am pretty much convinced that most of the females in this forum are actually not worth my time. They are not my target anyway (my target at the 98% of girls who do not come here to spend time insulting men), so what gives.

Again, I admit exceptions and I could even name some of them, nice women here exist, but after this experience it is just a reasonable approximation to set in this sub-forum, for me personally as "reading policy" (I am not a moderator so don't try to manipulate my words as an attempt to limit your oh sacred freedom)... a "no ma'am" clause.

So, my dear dear fellow masters... I will read your messages and answer as soon as I can.

And as long as the moderators have the chutzpah to keep this thread open (VAA said once that thread with more than three personal attacks would be closed... [:D][:D][:D][:D] !)