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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 6:28:58 AM   
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Remember, The Chinese will OWN FOX NEWS once Rupert dies... That's why they gave him that hot little Chinese piece of ass he's been fucking...

I expect you would find Fox a lot less objectionable then...

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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 7:08:38 AM   
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Remember, The Chinese will OWN FOX NEWS once Rupert dies... That's why they gave him that hot little Chinese piece of ass he's been fucking...


The Chinese netizens regard him as an establishment new media goon, in bed with the CCP right now.

I wonder how that would play with his Anglosphere audience if the lot knew his role in China. Murdoch has been running with the rabbits and hunting with the hounds pretty successfully for some time.

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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 7:11:15 AM   
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The latest GOP party plank appears to be China bashiong, which in my opinion is a serious error.


good


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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 7:13:49 AM   
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I expect you would find Fox a lot less objectionable then...


Cigarette Smoking will return to news broadcasts.
And the neo-cons will be much more concerned with games of chance.
All in all, I think it will be a refreshing change.



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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 7:17:17 AM   
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And Oreilly and Beck will be in the back room at Wei Lus ---

I bet 5000 dollar and thumb, 5000 and thumb....



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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 7:18:47 AM   
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I wonder how that would play with his Anglosphere audience if the lot knew his role in China. Murdoch has been running with the rabbits and hunting with the hounds pretty successfully for some time.


The good new is HIS SON seems to be fuckin it all up. Hopefully it's a lasting trend. I would love to see a human interest piece on how "it's hard to even afford his oxygen bottles for the 101 year old murdock, given his son's recent and terrible series of fan tan losses".

Yeah, okay... so it's fantasy. But a damned optimistic one.


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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 8:01:18 AM   
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And Oreilly and Beck will be in the back room at Wei Lus ---

I bet 5000 dollar and thumb, 5000 and thumb....


Or maybe they can recreate that 1st Danny De Vito scene from "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" Possibly the darkest moment ever in TV Sitcoms. Dark shit on primetime has NEVER gotten to me. That night I was heard to say "holy fucking shit"


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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 2:34:20 PM   
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I am not here to bash China, far from it.  Hooray for China for having an elite that puts the interests of China above those of any other nation.  I wish America's  political and business elites were as fervently pro-American as China's are pro-China.  Instead, our Republican and Democrats alike appear to live in a fantasy world where open borders, "free markets" and endless trade agreements are somehow supposed to benefit American workers and domestic American industry more than they cost us in lost employment. 



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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 3:51:42 PM   
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The part above sums the problem up nicely for me.

I see it like this. Take two buckets, one nearly full of water, the other nearly empty. Attach a hose with an on/off valve at between the buckets near the bottom of each.

Then open the valve. Bucket 1 will drain into bucket 2 until both reach equilibrium. The amount of water in bucket 1 will be less. The amount in bucket 2 will be greater.

That's the global economy in a nutshell.

I told my brother a long time ago that the status of living in the US had no where to go but down. There's a lot of ranting and raving about the widening gap between rich and poor, but it seems simple to me. When you ship your manufacturing base out of country, a lot of jobs that would have grown here, grow there. Business is like electricity and water. It will migrate to the path of least resistance, and you can't blame them in many respects - if for no other reason than the need to be competitive enough to stay in business. Not only do you lose the jobs that would have grown here, but you lose the base behind those jobs as well.






There are a couple of problems with this analogy. It assumes that the air pressure on both buckets is the same, and it assumes that the valve is fully open. The valve actually has a permanent obstruction....the cost of transportation. And the air pressure is not equal. Right now there is more pressure on the side of the US bucket and less on the side of the Chinese bucket. That was not true as little as 15 or 20 years ago. That extra pressure is forcing the Chinese bucket to rise and the US bucket to fall. Change the pressure and you change the rate of flow or reverse it.

One of the major sources of pressure currently is Chinese currency manipulation...it does not permit the natural level to be achieved.

And the problem with Huntsman's position is that he assumes that a trade war will start, when in fact, we have already been attacked. That we havent joined that war doesnt mean it hasnt started.

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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 4:01:06 PM   
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"I don't subscribe to the Don Trump school or the Mitt Romney school of international trade," Huntsman, the Obama administration's former ambassador to China, said in Tuesday's GOP debate. "I don't want to find ourselves in a trade war. With respect to China, if you start slapping penalties on them ... you're going to get the same thing in return."


yes, slap on penalties and you get them back at ya-
Just one recent example of that-
"Mexico imposed the tariffs in 2009 as part of a long-standing dispute over cross-border commercial truck traffic. The duties have cost Northwest fruit growers tens of millions of dollars."

http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2011/07/06/deal-with-mexico-ends-tariff-that-cost-state-apple-growers-44m-a-year


In fact its estimated to have cost the US economy over $2.5 billion.

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RE: China Bashing - 10/18/2011 5:59:36 PM   
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Huntsman doesn't even know the facts in his own damn industry. Huntsman is one of the largest chemical firms- you'd think he'd know about the prices of rare earths and how China has put a lock on the stuff- in direct violation of WTO regs by the way. China has the major supplies of some of the critical rare earths such as neodynium used in permanent magnets- a critical component of wind turbine generators and electric cars. China has refused to sell the raw materials outside the country, insisting instead that the rest of the world purchase finished magnets from them- effectively destroying other countries industries including US and Japan. Talk about critical materials in the coming years! I think China is also controlling prices of germanium and indium- a critical element in touch screens at this point.

China's patent system is an atrocity- it basically screws outsiders and protects domestic industry. US patents are a sick joke now- there's no enforcement. Small manufacturers can patent something, and then watch in helpless fury as knock offs come in from China with no effective recourse. Furthermore, Chinese companies preferentially do business with Chinese suppliers.

The mantra of manufacturing in China has been driven by two factors....the idiocy of US MBAs who can't focus on anything further away than next quarter and the Chinese subsidizing the construction of manufacturing plants in their country with massive tax breaks and effectively free money for capital. Of course, the notion of actually protecting intellectual property doesn't dawn on these moron MBAs who couldn't invent a paperclip if their life depended on it- once something is manufactured in China, there is no more intellectual property. So the US investment in science and engineering is just being wasted....

However, the US used to have some protected industry in the form of our defense contractors. With the rise of the COTS (commercial off the shelf technology) program- that went by the wayside, and we no longer care where we source stuff- thank you Ronnie Rayguns so even defense manufacturers are sourcing stuff in China.

Seems to me that in a funny way- I actually agree with some of these Republican imbeciles....China is eating our lunch and they know it. Back in the 1850s, the UK decided that David Ricardo was an economic god and could do no wrong. His thesis was that protective tariffs don't work and that the UK should just unilaterally abolish all tariffs. This lead not to a golden age for England, but a hollowing out of their industry from which they've never recovered.

It's clear that trade works well when both sides are playing by the same rules. Overall trade between the US and Europe has enriched both continents- and I'm not too concerned with trade with either Mexico or Canada. China, on the other hand, is a different story....

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RE: China Bashing - 10/20/2011 11:25:12 AM   
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And yet another piece of news that shows that China's a lousy trade partner- and confirms what I've been saying for awhile...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/business/global/us-solar-manufacturers-to-ask-for-duties-on-imports.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha25

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