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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 12:23:33 PM   
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I am reminded, whenever I hear or read a Rightist cry, "We should send in the troops against the Occupy Wall Street/Occupy Boston/Occupy Fill In The Blank protestors" of an incident reported by Bob Woodward in his book about the final days of Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon's Presidency.

"Tricky Dick" Nixon called in Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Army General Alexander Haig (who was serving as White House Chief Of Staff at the time) to a private meeting at the White House and asked what they thought of his idea to use Executive Emergency Powers to declare martial law and have Army troops from Fort Myer arrest the Congress to prevent them from impeaching him. General Haig (in one of the few good things he ever did in his professional life) told President Nixon - his Commander-In-Chief, "Sir, the United States military would refuse to support you and would refuse to follow your orders." Nixon resigned the Presidency a few hours later.

Call out the troops against the "Occupiers" - and many would mutiny rather than obey.


Except it has happened in the past with deadly results:

Kent State Shootings - Image Results





Kent State

WHY SHOULD WE STILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT MAY 4, 1970 AT KENT STATE?

In Robert McNamara's (1995) book, "In Retrospect:The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam" is a way to begin is an illustration of the this process. In it he says that United States policy towards Vietnam was "... terribly wrong and we owe it to future generations to explain why."

The poignant picture of Mary Vecchio kneeling in agony over Jeffrey Miller's body, for example, will remain forever as a reminder of the day when the Vietnam War came home to America. If the Kent State shootings will continue to be such a powerful symbol, then it is certainly important that Americans have a realistic view of the facts associated with this event.

Second, May 4 at Kent State and the Vietnam War era remain controversial even today, and the need for healing continues to exist. Healing will not occur if events are either forgotten or distorted, and hence it is important to continue to search for the truth behind the events of May 4th at Kent State.

Third, and most importantly, May 4th at Kent State should be remembered in order that we can learn from the mistakes of the past. The Guardsmen in their signed statement at the end of the civil trials recognized that better ways have to be found to deal with these types of confrontations. This has probably already occurred in numerous situations where law enforcement officials have issued a caution to their troops to be careful because "we don't want another Kent State." Insofar as this has happened, lessons have been learned, and the deaths of four young Kent State students have not been in vain.






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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 12:28:55 PM   
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I find him incredibly amusing at times.
He is the only poster I have ever used the hide button on....just too damm annoying( this is really saying something when one considers some of those I have not pressed hide on....lol)

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 2:55:08 PM   
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Thomas explained he became inspired to get more involved in the protests after seeing some of the police brutality during the first week in October.

Can't fuck with that for a motive


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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:00:56 PM   
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I just watched the video. I did not see the police do anything to invite the ire of the Marine. This is indeed the United States of America...people have a right to peacefully assemble and/or protest. The Unites States of America is also a nation of laws not men (people)...and the police have a duty to stop people who are breaking the law(s), and arrest and remove them if need be.

Unless the Marine was discharged before doing what he did he is indeed subject to Courts Martial under the UCMJ.



For some people, sometimes the risking of one's own future is worth what has to be be done in the present, this person that has come out and instilled hope to a great many people is one of those people who put what is right before what might happen to them first, such people should be admired, I believe America was founded on them.

But reading on here those who quote laws and other bullshit about whether this person should do what he did, ask yourself, you in their position seeing injustice being metered out on defensless people, would you stand up for the weaker people's rights, or would you consider your cosy future and just walk on by ?

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:05:11 PM   
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Except it has happened in the past with deadly results:

Kent State Shootings - Image Results


If it happens in and around this series of events it'll be a fatal error for the opposition. And I am NOT talking about retaliatory violence. It will be MUCH worse.
Course the RepubliCons would relish this greatly.. kind of like when the July Job numbers came out and Mitt could BARELY contain his glee.
   Thing is THERE IS NO WAY that
PeePants in 2012
Gets even a breeze out of the movement... They'll nail his adult diaper to the bench if he tries the horseshit he previewed last week ... friday there was a segment where his attempts to co-opt were taken up and it was unanimously determined that it will always be made clear we reject him and that he's the antithesis of the candidate the country needs.



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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:07:25 PM   
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For some people, sometimes the risking of one's own future is worth what has to be be done in the present, this person that has come out and instilled hope to a great many people is one of those people who put what is right before what might happen to them first, such people should be admired, I believe America was founded on them.


Score a BIG 99 For Gentleman from the UK!

What's that you guys say? "Spot on"?



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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:15:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

I just watched the video. I did not see the police do anything to invite the ire of the Marine. This is indeed the United States of America...people have a right to peacefully assemble and/or protest. The Unites States of America is also a nation of laws not men (people)...and the police have a duty to stop people who are breaking the law(s), and arrest and remove them if need be.

Unless the Marine was discharged before doing what he did he is indeed subject to Courts Martial under the UCMJ.


Exactly we cant our Troops coming home and defending the Freedoms that they are fighting for abroad.

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:33:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you forget, your freedoms and the freedoms the government says it is fighting for oversees are different, that is why it creates laws to hopefully deter the skilled from defending freedoms in the home country, by doing what this fine gentleman did.

But if a military training is such that the service people believe they are defending freedoms, then who can blame them if they naturally augment that education when they are not on active service, as I believe once trained, it is difficult to turn that training on and off as the situation demands, some training is more akin to brain washing and the reaction to certain situations is automatic.

Myself sixteen years clear of military involvement and still sometimes I laugh at some of the things I automatically do in response to certain situations as a result of my military training, which just goes to illustrate what I understand in what I have posted above.

As to the Marine in question, I believe he has been well trained and is a credit to your armed forces.

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:42:19 PM   
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would you stand up for the weaker people's rights, or would you consider your cosy future and just walk on by ?


Personally, I think it's fear talking ... fear that what they escaped could now be tipped the rest of the way.



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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 3:55:30 PM   
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Exactly we cant our Troops coming home and defending the Freedoms that they are fighting for abroad.


I Love the desperate Ignorance of the Right... So disconnected it's elegant like the magician pulling apart the sawn box for the amazed audience and their acceptance that the women one, wiggling her toes and the other winking are in fact one.
   They're doing the magic right now on CNN they have that dense but hot-looking brunette that looks like my first wife with darker hair she's going on talking about OWS like it mirrors the Tea Party "except they want a liveable wage and the tea party doesn't", "they want to be able to control congress and the tea party doesn't" ... yada yada yada...
   Penn and Teller couldn't do it up this good.



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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/18/2011 7:38:12 PM   
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Not much except that Skip has demonstraed the ability to be more irrelevant than you, or even me. How about a big hand for him !


Thanks, I am seriously humbled by this compliment... Coming from the man who invented the 'relevance vacuum'  which prior to the Tea Party and Fox coming into the world, was an honor only held by the electric light in terms of achievement.
Thank you so much.



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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/19/2011 2:09:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I think you forget, your freedoms and the freedoms the government says it is fighting for oversees are different,

Exactly, as I said before "we cant our Troops coming home and defending the Freedoms that they are fighting for abroad"
why? because they are not the freedoms.
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that is why it creates laws to hopefully deter the skilled from defending freedoms in the home country, by doing what this fine gentleman did.

But if a military training is such that the service people believe they are defending freedoms, then who can blame them if they naturally augment that education when they are not on active service, as I believe once trained, it is difficult to turn that training on and off as the situation demands, some training is more akin to brain washing and the reaction to certain situations is automatic.
Its simple when they are home, threaten them with court martials, military tribunals, and gitmo then we shall see how much they would love to defend their freedoms at home
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Myself sixteen years clear of military involvement and still sometimes I laugh at some of the things I automatically do in response to certain situations as a result of my military training, which just goes to illustrate what I understand in what I have posted above.

As to the Marine in question, I believe he has been well trained and is a credit to your armed forces.

If you think he is that great, maybe you should join him

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/19/2011 3:13:28 PM   
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Exactly, as I said before "we cant our Troops coming home and defending the Freedoms that they are fighting for abroad"
why? because they are not the same freedoms.

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/19/2011 11:43:22 PM   
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Ah, the old proverbial "love it or leave it". Fuck you as far as that goes. I am here, and I WILL FIGHT. I will fight against a government that works for the banks and oil companies rather than those who vote their lame asses in, who use their media ties to keep their skullduggery secret. If you haven't seen this shit happen you have been living on Uranus, and you can take that both ways.

OK, I posted without proofing because something happened here that required my attention, but that is not the point. The point is what this country is, or actually is supposed to be, about. In this country the rebels are the patriots, that is the way it is. People involved in founding this country warned the Citizenry to keep an ever vigilant eye on the government. Those words were not heeded. Not much later we had the Sedition Act.

A common misconception in this country is that the south wanted to take over the country. The civil war was not about that nor was it about slavery. It was about the federal government abusing the southern states to take away their wealth, all that old money. There was alot of old money that bought alot of land and this was seen as a threat, while not too big to fail, they were too big to succeed. So the government tried to tax them to death, literally, and the attempted abolishing of slavery was not for any humanitarian reasons whatsoever, it was a move SPECIFICALLY intended to cost the southern plantation owners a bunch of money.

The government was no longer operating in their interest and via secession, they would have effectively abolished it by completely lawful means, as described in the Constitution as well as their state charters.

During those times there were free states in the south and slave states in the north. the reason for the division being more geographically drawn was which forms of commerce these federal abuses affected the most adversely. Figure families with plantations so vast that they made the Cartwrights on Bonanza look like a bunch of two bit sharecroppers. Their wealth was vast enough, part of it derived from old money, that the government was worried about it and acted. In other words the federal government provoked the south, just like they provoked the Japanese before we got into WW2, and,,,, and,,,, and,,,,

And here we are. Don't let them tell you this country is broke. In a sense it is but it's only becuse about 100 people have all the fucking money. This taking process has been going on for over 200 years. It has not stopped. So what do you think is the end result ? You have to look at the bigger picture.

The plan worked.

T^T

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/20/2011 2:28:48 PM   
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I m staying, I m fighting

Rant Rant Rant.

By posting political messages on the internet.

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RE: Marine vs 30 NYPD - 10/20/2011 2:48:42 PM   
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Basically all I got from that was.
I m staying, I m fighting
Rant Rant Rant.


Wow ... the Tea Party has a new fight song...
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