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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:10:57 PM   
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For the first time, Cain outpolls likely voters, if the election were held today.

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I have to agree with mnottertail on this one Firm. Rasmussen? The folks who are quite notibly 'conservative' in their view point? The same folks that are in the running with FOX News on 'distortion of facts and truth'? That Rasmussen Reports?

If Mr. Cain got the GOP ticket, I wouldn't be surprised if the Tea Party ran a candidate for office. They have convince many conservatives in the past three years, that a BLACK MAN in the executive office brought on the whole economic mess we are currently in. Why would they hire ANOTHER, BLACK MAN to the Oval Office? Course not, they'd run a WHITE MAN! And together, they would argue over dominance within the GOP while the President sails into a second term.

Mr. Romney doesnt fair better. Instead of the Tea Party it would be the Religious Right that pushs for a third party candidate. The same results I believe would take place.

You also forget that the President's 're-election' chest is twice that of Gov. Perry or Mr. Romney and seven times that of Mr. Cain. Added to that, is the President has ACTUAL experience being President of the United States of America. Can you say that of any of the GOP candidates? Likewise, the President is very intelligent and educated. He's out-flanked Republicans in the past. So this 'report' is a bit amusing as it doesnt take reality into consideration when making the poll.


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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:11:36 PM   
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Well, nobody really gives much of a shit for that segment of the population anyway.
But it would be entertaining to watch them squirm.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:23:50 PM   
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Herman would knock a central pillar out of Obama's '12 strategy, but I'm not getting past my concerns about his lack of political and foreign policy experience yet.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:33:20 PM   
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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:37:58 PM   
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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:40:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who's fuckin idea was that? Never crossed my mind, nor the bulk of other peoples, it was the rights talking heads went down that maze.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:42:49 PM   
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his nonsensical belief in Marxist utopianism, is simply cover for hidden racism
Well, they may have a point, given the glaringly obvious fact that Obama has no Marxist positions or policies those who claim that is why they oppose him are clearly not being honest about the reasons for their opposition. Racism is a pretty good probability, since they would rather publicly proclaim themselves idiots than admit the real reasons.

Or I suppose they could just really be idiots, that is always a possibility.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:46:57 PM   
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the rights talking heads
But its those talking heads that define reality for a large percentage of those on the right, so his misperception is understandable.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 10:47:58 PM   
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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 11:02:34 PM   
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hmmm, thought you were an atheist, Owner?

But, no matter. All prayers accepted in this case.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 11:07:52 PM   
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his nonsensical belief in Marxist utopianism, is simply cover for hidden racism
Well, they may have a point, given the glaringly obvious fact that Obama has no Marxist positions or policies



Didn't I draw a clear enough line between the two, Heather? I never said he has Marxist policies, I said he believes in the dream, and the clear influence of leftist radicalism and Marxist thought shows up time and again, from his wife quoting him, quoting Alinsky, in her convention speech, to his reference to ATMs as job killers.



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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 11:09:08 PM   
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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 11:14:44 PM   
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For the first time, Cain outpolls likely voters, if the election were held today.


Ya know when the first one of those if/today things  that really mean something?
early to mid October 2012... it's right around there campaigns start to slip apart in meaningful percentages.
With that said, I hope Herman mops the fucking floor with PeePants.



More like July 2012

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/17/2011 11:21:07 PM   
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Didn't I draw a clear enough line between the two, Heather? I never said he has Marxist policies, I said he believes in the dream, and the clear influence of leftist radicalism and Marxist thought shows up time and again, from his wife quoting him, quoting Alinsky, in her convention speech, to his reference to ATMs as job killers.



What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be?” From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals. In last night's speech, Michelle Obama said something that peeked my curiousity. She said:

"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be..." And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be." . . .


This is where it originated, by a hyperbolist who certainly is not a factual journalist cuz the fuckin ignorant swine cannot spell piqued.

I notice that you use many of the words that Hitler used in Mein Kampf. Certainly all the articles, the word Marxist, the words; dream, believe , influence, radicalism, thought, and the list goes on and on.

And that sort of language shows up time and again in your writings, so now we come to it, what logical and causal conclusion is certainly and irrefutably drawn from this Adolph?


There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?
Though Robert Kennedy stated that he was quoting George Bernard Shaw when he said this, he is often thought to have originated the expression, which actually paraphrases a line delivered by the Serpent in Shaw's play Back To Methuselah : “You see things; and you say, ‘Why?’ But I dream things that never were; and I say, ‘Why not?’".

So Alinsky steals from Shaw and so on.

Fuckin weak, pal.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/18/2011 12:03:01 AM   
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Didn't I draw a clear enough line between the two, Heather? I never said he has Marxist policies, I said he believes in the dream, and the clear influence of leftist radicalism and Marxist thought shows up time and again, from his wife quoting him, quoting Alinsky, in her convention speech, to his reference to ATMs as job killers.
And I guess I didn't make myself clear enough, let me quote the section of my post that would seem to be applicable in this instance.

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Or I suppose they could just really be idiots, that is always a possibility.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/18/2011 5:11:34 AM   
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hmmm, thought you were an atheist, Owner?

But, no matter. All prayers accepted in this case.

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Oh, that was frigging great, Stern!

"Give pizza a chance."!!! 

One of the things that attract me to Cain is that he has a sense of humor.  I'm so tired of the "up-tight- can't - say - anything - that - might - be - interpreted - slightly wrong - worry - worry - worry - about - looking - like - a - human" attitude that many (most) politicians have.

I think it's one of the main reasons he comes across as "genuine".

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/18/2011 5:21:51 AM   
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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/18/2011 5:28:16 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_2044187/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/18/2011 7:06:28 AM   
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Fuckin weak, pal.



Pretty fucking weak indeed, Ron. Who are you quoting up there, before you get to tossing your Adolf shit? It wasn't me, because I probably would have mis-spelled it as "peaked," instead. I guess you remembered the chapter where Marx covered those job destroying ATMs, and needed to cover it by invoking Godwin. Just think of all those poor buggy whip manufacturers and stable boys who saw their jobs destroyed by the vile capitalist development of the automobile.

Do have yourself a lovely autumn day, though. It's supposed to be in the mid-80's here today. Should be delightful.

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RE: Cain 43%, Obama 41% - 10/18/2011 7:08:31 AM   
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his nonsensical belief in Marxist utopianism, is simply cover for hidden racism
Well, they may have a point, given the glaringly obvious fact that Obama has no Marxist positions or policies



Didn't I draw a clear enough line between the two, Heather? I never said he has Marxist policies, I said he believes in the dream, and the clear influence of leftist radicalism and Marxist thought shows up time and again, from his wife quoting him, quoting Alinsky, in her convention speech, to his reference to ATMs as job killers.



It other words,he said marxist.

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