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Epytropos -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 10:23:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Which quote are you referring too?

Sorry I quick replied. That was in response to the OP. The Santorum quote, as taken from the article linked, is as follows:

“Look at the political base of the Democratic Party: it is single mothers who run a household,” he said on the American Family Association’s radio show Today’s Issues.

“Why? Because it’s so tough economically that they look to the government for help and therefore they’re going to vote. So if you want to reduce the Democratic advantage, what you want to do is build two parent families, you eliminate that desire for government.”

Note how he never blames single mothers for anything but Democratic primacy and an increase in social spending, which I don't think is exactly a controversial opinion. His desire to "build two parent families" is a characteristically disgusting, invasive, and authoritarian (ironic when he's decrying big government) but he isn't blaming single mothers for the economic issues in any way.


No, he is blaming single households.

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So if you want to reduce the Democratic advantage, what you want to do is build two parent families, you eliminate that desire for government.”


To me, he is suggesting that single family households are a Democratic thing.. and in order to break the hold the Dem party has, you have to encourage the two parent family unit.

Can anyone provide any factual evidence that single parents arent also found within the Republican party base? Or that dead beat parents are only part of the Democratic party?

I have seen lots of proof to the contrary.


Ok, but that was never the assertion of the thread. The assertion of the thread was that this had something to do with the economic problems. To quote the thread title:
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I never knew I had so much power over the economy


As to your larger point, I suspect you would find a statistical correlation between Dem voters (D) and single-parent households (S) since you find a correlation between poverty (P) and Dems and another between minority status (M) and Dems, and then a correlation between single-parent households and minorities and again with poverty.

If D correlates to P and M, and P and M correlate to S, it is highly likely that D also correlates to S. Now, those correlations don't necessary imply causality as Santorum is assuming, nor am I certain the lattermost correlation exists, but I don't see his statements as entirely unreasonable. Repugnant, certainly, but factually they seem more or less borne out by logic.




Masta808 -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 10:36:17 PM)

See now if Rick Sanatorium truly believes that single mothers are the cause economic collapse due to government hand outs, I say he should join in outlawing divorce.

Then outlawing widows. Only then we will be free of the cause of Economic Collapse.




philosophy -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:30:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Epytropos


I suspect you would find a statistical correlation between Dem voters (D) and single-parent households (S) since you find a correlation between poverty (P) and Dems and another between minority status (M) and Dems, and then a correlation between single-parent households and minorities and again with poverty.

If D correlates to P and M, and P and M correlate to S, it is highly likely that D also correlates to S. Now, those correlations don't necessary imply causality as Santorum is assuming, nor am I certain the lattermost correlation exists, but I don't see his statements as entirely unreasonable. Repugnant, certainly, but factually they seem more or less borne out by logic.


Correlation does not equal causation.

You make the point then ignore it.




Epytropos -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:35:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: philosophy


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ORIGINAL: Epytropos


I suspect you would find a statistical correlation between Dem voters (D) and single-parent households (S) since you find a correlation between poverty (P) and Dems and another between minority status (M) and Dems, and then a correlation between single-parent households and minorities and again with poverty.

If D correlates to P and M, and P and M correlate to S, it is highly likely that D also correlates to S. Now, those correlations don't necessary imply causality as Santorum is assuming, nor am I certain the lattermost correlation exists, but I don't see his statements as entirely unreasonable. Repugnant, certainly, but factually they seem more or less borne out by logic.


Correlation does not equal causation.

You make the point then ignore it.



True enough. We still can't present this as if he is blaming democratic primacy on stalagmite men. We can see the connection he's making as a rational possibility.




Lucylastic -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:36:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

To me he is simply pointing fingers at "them"... It is a time honored political bullshit move.Doesn't matter who "them" is.....different politicians have used different "them's" thru the years...it is the politics of divisiveness ..and works best during hard times,as we are going thru now...thankfully Santorum is such a fucking nobody it doesn't mean shit .

actually it means its frothy fecal material, so hes a frothy little shit!!!
ignorant frothy little shit at that...
Maybe he should have a word with Walsh about his back payment in child support




philosophy -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:41:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Epytropos



True enough. We still can't present this as if he is blaming democratic primacy on stalagmite men. We can see the connection he's making as a rational possibility.



...it would only be rational if we were presenting it as one of a range of possibilities. He does not do that, because (as we both probably know) he's just playing to an ignorant and ideologically fixated part of the electorate in a desperate atempt to not be forced out of this race.

However, his rhetoric is clear. He's presenting the correlation as causation, which we both know is a logical fallacy.




tazzygirl -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:45:57 PM)

Which is the point I was making.




Epytropos -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:49:26 PM)

You're right, of course. As I said, the idea that the government or the political parties should be involved in 'family building' is obscene.




philosophy -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:55:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

You're right, of course. As I said, the idea that the government or the political parties should be involved in 'family building' is obscene.



Agreed.

Many years ago, Thatchers government was on a similar ideological kick. They commissioned a paper, which they were sure would prove that single parent families were a scourge on society.

They were wrong.

The report only came out after Thatcher lost power, its authors explained that they could find but one important factor in whether a family structire was good for the children.

Was the child loved by their parents.

If so, then things went well, regardless of single, dual, multiple, gay, straight, adopted, black, white, green, aethist, agnostic, catholic, muslim, indeed anything, parents.

If the child wasnt loved then things went badly.

Politicians should leave well enough alone.





tazzygirl -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/17/2011 11:57:36 PM)

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As to your larger point, I suspect you would find a statistical correlation between Dem voters (D) and single-parent households (S) since you find a correlation between poverty (P) and Dems and another between minority status (M) and Dems, and then a correlation between single-parent households and minorities and again with poverty.


One-quarter (24.6 percent) of all cus­todial parents had incomes below pov­erty, while 18.2 percent of those who received at least some child support payments were below poverty.

Custodial parents receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), formerly known as Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), fell from 22.0 percent to 4.3 percent during the past 14 years.


http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-237.pdf

Interesting numbers in light to your suppositions.




Epytropos -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 12:05:45 AM)

How does that compare to the general population?




Hippiekinkster -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 12:12:44 AM)

Balance the Checkbook, Santorum! And the rest of you thieving ratfuckers.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 12:14:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KeriB

Holy freaking crap, seriously???


Even if I were to get remarried I'm not going to change my political leanings just because I do.
Nice "tittou". [8D]




tazzygirl -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 12:18:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

How does that compare to the general population?


Single parents needing welfare went from 22% to 4.3%.

If 24.6 of all single parents have income below poverty level, but only 4.3% are receiving welfare... ahem. Now, these are 2007 numbers.

It goes to show the assumptions that the majority of single parent households must be in poverty or live on welfare is a fallacy.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 12:20:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well the economics are trivial at a quarter a blowjob, lemme see thats uhh...carry the naught....cipher the carry on the next column.....

its doable if they are patriotic women....


Surely you have a sliderule somewhere in your pawnshop...




Hippiekinkster -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 12:23:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

We could save some time sanity if you would just accept that I am right 99.9% of the time.Far less arguing that way too [:)]
That's a misunderestimation.




slvemike4u -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 2:01:18 PM)

Too true,I should have went with 100%..... more factual.[:D]




SternSkipper -> RE: I never knew I had so much power over the economy--evidently I was wrong (10/18/2011 2:17:48 PM)

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Mmm hmmm... yeah. Right...


So you're blaming the economy on black people instead?

Okay ... given Satorum's solution "So if you want to reduce the Democratic advantage, what you want to do is build two parent families, you eliminate that desire for government.” ...
...What then do you suggest the black people do? Become white?





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