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Termyn8or -> Civilisation (10/19/2011 10:34:22 PM)
He killed her so I killed him so now they are going to kill me. Think now, he killed her. Why ? do we care, is there no reason to take a human life ever ? If so explain war. Well I killed him because he killed her. He did not have good reason to kill her, in my opinion, she was my <insert whatever here>. Nothing she could've done would warrant death, but it did in his opinion. No matter what it was in my opinion it did not warrant death so therefore that warrants his death. There is no remorse and if he was alive I wouldn't be awaiting death, but if this situation was not so I would kill him anyway. I would do it again, without remorse becasue he should die for killing her. I am not sorry, not one bit. If I had to do it over again I would try to do better at not getting caught. So now they are going to kill me. They are going to kill me because I believe it is OK to kill someone for killing someone when it wasn't warranted IN MY OPINION. So their OPINION is that I should die. I am not talking about any type of wrongful accusation here. There is no doubt that he killed her and I did not forgive him, rather I avenged her death. They who are going to kill me know and acknowledge that even though they are going to kill me for exactly the same reason. They will not forgive me because I did not forgive him. In an organised society (we are still checking on that) you can be safe walking down the street. Those who would attack are removed from society. We can warehouse them or kill them. Is it anyone's right to prevent us from doing what is actually right and natural ? They hung horse theives, and I heard there was a death penalty for auto theft for a few years in Chicago, but I'm not sure, check with snopes. But then there is another school of thought, the death penalty is wrong, OH OH OH, except for McVeigh, Asswadwipe or whatever, BinLaden and a few others. Those death penalties are OK, apparently because they killed more people. Oh but wait, Eichman got a trial....... do you think an expression of remorse would have saved him ? But then they killed people 2,000+ miles away you never heard of before. But someone kills your best friend, your sibling or Parent. The person who killed a bunch of people 2,000 miles away deserves to die but this creep does not. Is that the way it works ? I just wanted to start a good ole CM style dog draggin' smackdown argument in which we don't have to insult each other. I think we should be alright as long as it's agreed that all death threats are in jest. I think. But the point is, we live by death. Men had gunfights in the past and intended to kill each other. There was no mamby pamby bullshit about how precious life was, Mine was more important than his. That was all that mattered. Do we live in a world devoid of threat ? T^T

Rule -> RE: Civilisation (10/19/2011 11:22:02 PM)
We live in a Christian culture: do not take revenge on your enemy, but forgive your enemy. This cultural strategy dramatically reduced the level of violence in the population. Of course our populations require protection against those who are more like animals than civilized beings, hence imprisonment - which does decrease their reproductive success and thereby improves the civilization level of our gene pools.

MadAxeman -> RE: Civilisation (10/19/2011 11:59:39 PM)
Bollocks. Americans were very much behind the illegal bombing of Iraq. Regardless of how false that war was, it wasn't powered by Christian beliefs. You are a vengeful nation. Saddam and Bin Laden were always going to die.

gungadin09 -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 12:10:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or But the point is, we live by death. Men had gunfights in the past and intended to kill each other. There was no mamby pamby bullshit about how precious life was, Mine was more important than his. That was all that mattered. Do we live in a world devoid of threat ? i'm not going to answer the OP, because i didn't understand it. i will ask this: Do You think it's psychologically harder for people to kill now than it was, say, in the time of the Iliad? pam

Termyn8or -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 12:43:16 AM)
Pam, I will answer you first because you are one of my favorite girls on here. It's easier to kill, we got better guns. If you and I went with one of my guns into a dark alley with no witnesses and came across someone who say, raped you, killed your loved one, shit like that, I would have no compunction about pulling the trigger. You live in a civil society at the behest of that society, you hurt people, well now we got to killya. Sorry. Yo mama shoulda taught you better. We sorry. This is fake morality that you can't kill, or shouldn't kill. How the fuck can we say that while suupporting legal abortion ? This is completely illogical. We have abortion but not euthenasia. People who seek death do not find it (Bibilical reference exists) yet those who are, in fact the only ones who are 100% totally innocent can be killed at will. Legally. The logic is all fucked up. Part of it is TV. Every Woman on TV except Kitty in Gunsmoke cries when she blows some rapist's or other plunderer's head off. Bullshit. Just find some people to drag out the carcass. Fukit. Don't lose a minute's sleep over it. They didn't, and they wouldn't if you hadn't blown their little brain off, that of a fucking jackal. An animal. Maybe people are like animals, some are nice and fuzzy and whatever and you will mourn their passing, others are like vicious predators and need to be killed. We need to know which is which but we never will, and as long as we strive to err on the side of letting animals live and humans be killed by them, we are heading down the wrong path. T^T

gungadin09 -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 12:49:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or It's easier to kill, we got better guns. My question was meant to be, do You think people have more remorse about it now than in ancient times? This is fake morality that you can't kill, or shouldn't kill. i believe there are plenty of times where it's the lesser of two evils. The logic is all fucked up. Part of it is TV. Every Woman on TV except Kitty in Gunsmoke cries when she blows some rapist's or other plunderer's head off... So, again, do You think people have more remorse about killing today than in the past? pam

Termyn8or -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 12:57:16 AM)
"We live in a Christian culture: do not take revenge on your enemy, but forgive your enemy. This cultural strategy dramatically reduced the level of violence in the population. " This is not a Christian culture. I am surprised that one such as you holds such a notion really. It would be nice if everone lived by Christian tenets this country, in fact the world would be pretty much a Utopia. But it isn't, so that statement is out the window, off the wall and out of the ballpark. "Of course our populations require protection against those who are more like animals than civilized beings, hence imprisonment - which does decrease their reproductive success and thereby improves the civilization level of our gene pools. " Then you fucking pay for it. they charge thirty grand a year plus for every prisoner. Just how much money do you make ? How many of these prisoners are you going to "sponsor" ? You want to champion for their fucked up useless life, pay up. Harsh ? Sure the fuck is, but there comes a time....... You know I have typed on this board what would happen if for example : I killed some asshole who broke into my house to rip me off and his Momma was in court at my trial : I would look her right in the fucking eyes and tell her "You should've taught him better". And no fucking remorse, I am past that because I know psychology, I am past all those mental games and shit. The hangups about this imposed by society. They are somewhat like those against kink or homosexuality, they serve no purpose. It was thought that kink and homoism was bad at one time, now it is not. Let's make killing the same way. Just think, no more PTSD from the troops anymore. KILL KILL KILL and come home and LOVE LOVE LOVE, not a problem. Just like flipping burgers and being a vegetarian. You don't even have to put it out of your mind because it doesn't matter. Tell me about freedom. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:09:59 AM)
More remorse ? No Pam I think it is way worse than that. I think that some people are so brainwashed that they will not be able to pull the trigger even if their life is in imminent danger. I have yet to figure out the technique used to brainwash people into thinking this way but it doesn't work on me. The PTB and that includes the media want us to be as docile as possible, thus the invention of the term "sheeple". We get sheared all the time, and guess where lamb chops come from. That is what our supposed fellow "humans" are doing to us. They are no better than the Commancheros. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2gThsfTqg We should all be Paul Regrets and have no regrets. Cover every inch of the ground where we stand. In the words of the olman "Don't take no shit from nobody". He told me that and it backfired on him because I applied it to him. A guy punching your own Dad in the face is a big step. I had asked him if that meant Ma and he said "That means everybody". Well, it meant everybody. You know if people who steal and shit were all dead, this world would be a pretty nice place wouldn't it ? And it would leave a whole lot of room for the rest of us. No shit. T^T

Rule -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:39:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadAxeman Bollocks. Americans were very much behind the illegal bombing of Iraq. Regardless of how false that war was, it wasn't powered by Christian beliefs. You are a vengeful nation. Saddam and Bin Laden were always going to die. Those who rule us also try to further civilization, despite many of them not obeying to Christian doctrines any more.

Rule -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:41:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Do You think it's psychologically harder for people to kill now than it was, say, in the time of the Iliad? Maybe. More people have a conscience these days.

Rule -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:43:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Maybe people are like animals, some are nice and fuzzy and whatever and you will mourn their passing, others are like vicious predators and need to be killed. We need to know which is which but we never will, and as long as we strive to err on the side of letting animals live and humans be killed by them, we are heading down the wrong path. Quite.

gungadin09 -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:46:52 AM)
Who gets to be the one to decide who is who? pam

Rule -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:49:59 AM)
You do.

gungadin09 -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 1:50:55 AM)
i wouldn't want to. pam

Termyn8or -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 2:12:55 AM)
We all do. Infringe on my rights, try to take my shit, earn a bullet. I don't care what you wear, that uniform means shit to me. I respect soldiers of any kind who fight for us, but when they switch sides I have no problem donating lead. Got it ? Mankind is devolving because of this supposed evolving. We can't seem to kill off the defective parts of the species. It's NOT WRONG. Dogs do it. Not that we shold lick our own ass but sometimes nature has ways, ways that work. With this mamby pamby shit we are going against nature. It's bad enough we do this with medicine, and those who would be dead help to overpopulate the world, but it's even worse when you start thinking that people who are predators must not be killed, though they would kill us. Simply fucking wrong. Insanity ? Dead. Temporary insanity ? Try temporary death, we shoot you and you try to come back to lide, YOU GOT AS MUCH CHANCE AS THE MF YOU KILLED ! Barbaric ? Fucking right it is. We are still on our way to true civilisation. Maybe in a few thousand years if the "culture" is kept "pure" enough without too many malefactors we might make some progress. Maybe. One day I will have to dscribe a better society to y'all, because it seems noone is able to envision it. Those who can't dream can't create. This is not good. T^T

ProlificNeeds -> RE: Civilisation (10/20/2011 4:55:50 AM)
In a world where life 'grows on tree's, is plentiful and abundant and in the human case, in surplus, it's hard to value human life as much as say, when we were little tribes of cave men who needed numbers to survive. Sort of like when you live in a country that has fresh water everywhere, you take for granted what other people would die to have. Death will happen, so will violence, when you have no greater threat than your own race to deal with, it seems self evident the only object left to turn aggression and violence upon, is eachother. People are very intent on protecting this and that, this forest, those animals, ect. So sure, why are we surprised humans turn on humans for whatever differences and infractions they can imagine or fabricate? Humans are predators, maybe not ALL humans, but definitely some. Would you expect a polarbear not to kill when it feels like it? Only difference is, as intelligent beings we feel the need to JUSTIFY the act, the polarbear doesn't.

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