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Graham is nuts. Obama's entire strategy was to NOT invade. Just like GHW Bush, he formed a coalition of supporters that did not directly intervene, but propped up the rebels and supported them.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
He was in power for 42 years and no one did anything (of any consequence) but all of a sudden, its sooooo imperative to get him... Imo, after everyone left him alone to his part of the world for 42 fucking years, no one had any business doing or helping the rebels in any way now. Jmo

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Thats just it. We were asked.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Nothing happened before because it would have required an invasion of an outside force.  It's been pretty clearly proven (thanks, W) that that leads to a miserable morass.  Here, we were given the chance to topple him solely by nudging things and helping the rebels win.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Nothing happened before because it would have required an invasion of an outside force.  It's been pretty clearly proven (thanks, W) that that leads to a miserable morass.  Here, we were given the chance to topple him solely by nudging things and helping the rebels win.

and the US had no problem going against NATO by invading Iraq, (not just once but twice). But we will see how this turns out. I somehow doubt whoever the new dictator will be, that he will be any better.

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

The quotes I gave were recent regarding the demonstrations of Libyans marching for their rights. The oppostion was calling out for help in order not to get slaughtered for demanding their rights.

we will see what kind of rights they have now under sharia law and see if they are all that different than before..

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Not fair to say "US".

The blame for that cluster-fuck lay with a relatively small group of men and one woman,Condi Rice.

We were essentially tricked into it, with the threat of nuclear attack,fresh on the heals of an unbelievably evastating,almost incomprehensible attack in NYC and in Washington.

I don`t think they could have pulled off invading Iraq without 9/11 not happening.Just wouldn`t have happened.

We wouldn`t have invaded Afghanistan either,without 9/11.

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The relatively small group of men and one woman was the US govt and it included the President. Nato said no to invading Iraq, the US went charging ahead anyway.

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The relatively small group of men and one woman was the US govt and it included the President. Nato said no to invading Iraq, the US went charging ahead anyway.

We were not the only country.

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

.. Maybe that's the strategy, Niceguy Jeb gets in and plays janitor in the bush trifecta... Ick

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

.....I think the Britts were also tricked.

..............I don`t think its fair to blame the American people for the Iraq tragedy.

The American people (and the Iraqis) are certainly paying the price though.

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And don't worry about Lindsey Graham, we're going to get rid of him in 2014.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
and the US had no problem going against NATO by invading Iraq, (not just once but twice). But we will see how this turns out. I somehow doubt whoever the new dictator will be, that he will be any better.

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ORIGINAL: hlen5
I think we get the politicians we deserve.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Yup,no US (or NATO) casualties and about a billion spent to get one real actual terrrorist vs. 4400 dead GIs(plus tens of thousands of serious injuries),and a trillion dollars spent to get a would-be terrorist.
Not much a comparison,is there?
I wonder how many GIs killed would have been worth getting Gadhafi a few months sooner?
Republican = hypocrite.

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Owner, we shouldn't have done anything about Libya. That was purely a European problem. We had no dog in that fight.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I say we had pan am 103 in that fight for one thing.

and that was in 1986 and the US and NATO did squat. Bush finally got him to pay several billion in compensation and Bush lifted the sanctions agains Lybia in return. Its been done and over for a long time. He was in power for 42 years and no one did anything (of any consequence) but all of a sudden, its sooooo imperative to get him... Imo, after everyone left him alone to his part of the world for 42 fucking years, no one had any business doing or helping the rebels in any way now. Jmo