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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:06:54 AM   
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the Right-wing controlled American media (i.e. talk-radio and FOX)


So...

MSNBC
CNN
CBS
NBC
ABC
Associated Press
Reuters
New York Times
Washington Times
Los Angeles Times
Newsweek
Huffington Post
MoveOn.org
Factcheck.org
...
{over 9000 others}

Yeah, ignore those. They don't exist. Shh. They're just figments of imagination. Fox News controls everything, and the other 200+ mass media outlets just kinda sit there.

The hypocrisy is fucking staggering.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:09:30 AM   
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So someone would have had to die or be wounded,...... for you cons to take this serious?


Do you guys think this shit through 1st?



Again,another great example of today`s republicans.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:17:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

So someone would have had to die or be wounded,...... for you cons to take this serious?


Do you guys think this shit through 1st?



Again,another great example of today`s republicans.



Owner, "concerned?"
What do you think that people are going to hear this on the news and then sit at their computers and be,....."concerned?"
"This" is a matter for the Police to be "concerned" about.
You could lose a whole night's sleep over it and it wouldn't change anything.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:26:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kinksterparty

quote:

the Right-wing controlled American media (i.e. talk-radio and FOX)


So...

MSNBC
CNN
CBS
NBC
ABC
Associated Press
Reuters
New York Times
Washington Times
Los Angeles Times
Newsweek
Huffington Post
MoveOn.org
Factcheck.org
...
{over 9000 others}

Yeah, ignore those. They don't exist. Shh. They're just figments of imagination. Fox News controls everything, and the other 200+ mass media outlets just kinda sit there.

The hypocrisy is fucking staggering.



Your ignorance is staggering.
Perhaps you might tell us who owns the folowing news outlets:

MSNBC
CNN
CBS
NBC
ABC
Associated Press
Reuters
New York Times
Washington Times
Los Angeles Times
Newsweek

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:36:03 AM   
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Since you asked for it....

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A fellow student in Loughner's poetry class, Don Coorough, describes him as "grabbing his crotch and jumping around the room" as he read his own verse about everyday tasks.

Coorough said Loughner "would laugh at things that you wouldn't laugh at" such as when a fellow student read a poem about abortion.

"He was turning all shades of red and laughing," Coorough told the Associated Press. "Wow, she's just like a terrorist, she killed a baby ... He appeared to be an emotional cripple or an emotional child. He lacked compassion, he lacked understanding and he lacked an ability to connect."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/10/jared-lee-loughner-arizona-shooting

quote:

Don Coorough, 58, who sat two desks in front of Mr. Loughner in a poetry class last semester, described him as a “troubled young man” and “emotionally underdeveloped.” After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a “terrorist for killing the baby.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?_r=1

Hardly a "leftist view".

quote:

Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Loughner registered to vote on Sept. 29, 2006, identifying himself as an independent. Records show he voted in the 2006 and 2008 elections but is current listed as "inactive" on the state's voter roles -- meaning that he did not vote in November.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/jared-lee-loughner-was-a-regis.html

I suppose you could go argue with the Registrar.

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What the cacophony of facts do suggest is that Mr. Loughner is struggling with a profound mental illness (most likely paranoid schizophrenia, many psychiatrists say); that his recent years have been marked by stinging rejection — from his country’s military, his community college, his girlfriends and, perhaps, his father; that he, in turn, rejected American society, including its government, its currency, its language, even its math. Mr. Loughner once declared to his professor that the number 6 could be called 18.

As he alienated himself from his small clutch of friends, grew contemptuous of women in positions of power and became increasingly oblivious to basic social mores, Mr. Loughner seemed to develop a dreamy alternate world, where the sky was sometimes orange, the grass sometimes blue and the Internet’s informational chaos provided refuge.

..........


“There’s no doubt in my mind that the whole trial will be about did he know right from wrong,” the sheriff said. “We’ll have 15 psychiatrists saying yes. We’ll have 15 psychiatrists saying no. What do I say? I think he’s mentally disturbed.”

Disturbed enough to be found guilty but insane?

“I majored in psychology at the university,” Sheriff Dupnik answered. “Based on what I’ve seen, he is psychotic, he has serious problems with reality, and I think he’s delusional. Does he meet the legal test of guilty but insane? I don’t know.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

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Zach Osler, in an interview Wednesday with ABC's "Good Morning America," said: "He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/12/report-alleged-arizona-gunman-did-watch-news-television/#ixzz1buV6U13g

So it seems to me that this person was neither left nor right... neither liberal nor conservative. He was a registered Independent who went off the deep end, started listening to conspiracy nut cases, hated rejection and reacted badly to it.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:36:17 AM   
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According to the record he was a registered independent just like you popeye.
What his "friend" said about him would be called hearsay.


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Tazzy, perhaps you missed the interview with Loughner's best friend who called him a wacko leftist or something to that effect.



Thompson, are you saying his *best friend* had ulterior motives in saying that? I mean wouldn't the prosecution call his best friend, "an expert witness" given the closeness of a "best friend" relationship?
How do you *know* all these things? Do you have,....secret sources?
Do you have an "in" with the prosecutors out in Arizona?
I didn't realize that being interviewed on the national news by many news services and seen by tens of millions of people around the country was "hearsay."
What do you think his friend's "motive" was, book deal? Selling his story to the national enquirer and the new york times (the "thinking man's" newspapers.)
And has his best friend *retracted his statment* to this date?
I don't understand why his best friend's calling him a "wacko leftist" would be so important to this case. Do you think the prosecution will bring it up?
Could they use it as material evidence or something? And would him being a "wacko leftist" add to or nullify some of the evidence against him?

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 10/26/2011 10:44:34 AM >


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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:39:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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Laughner was a registered Independent.

Now, if you really want me to go into more detail, pops, I will... but many wont be happy.



Tazzy, perhaps you missed the interview with Loughner's best friend who called him a wacko leftist or something to that effect.


Thats not what Zach Olser, his best friend, said. See previous post.

Zach Osler, in an interview Wednesday with ABC's "Good Morning America," said: "He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:40:16 AM   
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And has his best friend retracted his statment to this date?


No, he hasnt. The fact that you got his statement wrong should give you a moment of concern.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:50:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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And has his best friend retracted his statment to this date?


No, he hasnt. The fact that you got his statement wrong should give you a moment of concern.


Tazzy, ok, then take out the word "wacko" if it makes you feel better but (I), and this is only *me* mind you, think that anyone who shot six or eight people killing two and tried to assasinate a congresswoman is just a little bit fucking "wacko."

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:54:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

According to the record he was a registered independent just like you popeye.
What his "friend" said about him would be called hearsay.


quote:

Tazzy, perhaps you missed the interview with Loughner's best friend who called him a wacko leftist or something to that effect.



Thompson, are you saying his *best friend* had ulterior motives in saying that? I mean wouldn't the prosecution call his best friend, "an expert witness" given the closeness of a "best friend" relationship?
How do you *know* all these things? Do you have,....secret sources?
Do you have an "in" with the prosecutors out in Arizona?
I didn't realize that being interviewed on the national news by many news services and seen by tens of millions of people around the country was "hearsay."
What do you think his friend's "motive" was, book deal? Selling his story to the national enquirer and the new york times (the "thinking man's" newspapers.)
And has his best friend *retracted his statment* to this date?
I don't understand why his best friend's calling him a "wacko leftist" would be so important to this case. Do you think the prosecution will bring it up?
Could they use it as material evidence or something? And would him being a "wacko leftist" add to or nullify some of the evidence against him?



Unsubstantiated third party information is called hearsay...the rest tazzy did a good job of clarifying.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:57:45 AM   
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Tazzy, ok, then take out the word "wacko" if it makes you feel better but (I), and this is only *me* mind you, think that anyone who shot six or eight people killing two and tried to assasinate a congresswoman is just a little bit fucking "wacko."


He may or may not be a wacko but he definitely is a piss poor shot.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 10:58:56 AM   
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""Darren Wesley Huff, Georgia Birther, Convicted Of Plot To Take Over Courthouse To Topple Obama""

Just like the FBI infiltrating the KKK down south to bust people, the government does encourage these things. Yes, some (not all mind you) of these wackos are spawned by our own Uncle Sam. They are proactive in finding people who would go against the government in just about any way. As such they not only infiltrate fringe, dissident and revolutionary groups and such, but in some cases actually start them. It's a matter of gathering intelligence on who might be a threat - to them. It's not a democrat or republican thing, it's all of them.

This is standard operating procedure, and in this case maybe it was real wackos. How in the hell can anyone think that taking a courthouse in Tennessee could effect the toppling of a US President from the big chair ? How does anyone get these ideas ?

I think they passed a stupidity test.

If this is an example of the level of intelligence of people in this country, and the government is really not fucking up on purpose, you know what this means ?

It means that I could take over this country easily, but it's simply not worth it.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 11:14:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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And has his best friend retracted his statment to this date?


No, he hasnt. The fact that you got his statement wrong should give you a moment of concern.


Tazzy, ok, then take out the word "wacko" if it makes you feel better but (I), and this is only *me* mind you, think that anyone who shot six or eight people killing two and tried to assasinate a congresswoman is just a little bit fucking "wacko."


No, you said the friend was reporting him as a leftist... which was never the case.

Of course he is wacko. And, frankly, politics, along with Alex and his ilk, drove the message home.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 11:25:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

According to the record he was a registered independent just like you popeye.
What his "friend" said about him would be called hearsay.


quote:

Tazzy, perhaps you missed the interview with Loughner's best friend who called him a wacko leftist or something to that effect.



Thompson, are you saying his *best friend* had ulterior motives in saying that? I mean wouldn't the prosecution call his best friend, "an expert witness" given the closeness of a "best friend" relationship?
How do you *know* all these things? Do you have,....secret sources?
Do you have an "in" with the prosecutors out in Arizona?
I didn't realize that being interviewed on the national news by many news services and seen by tens of millions of people around the country was "hearsay."
What do you think his friend's "motive" was, book deal? Selling his story to the national enquirer and the new york times (the "thinking man's" newspapers.)
And has his best friend *retracted his statment* to this date?
I don't understand why his best friend's calling him a "wacko leftist" would be so important to this case. Do you think the prosecution will bring it up?
Could they use it as material evidence or something? And would him being a "wacko leftist" add to or nullify some of the evidence against him?



Unsubstantiated third party information is called hearsay...the rest tazzy did a good job of clarifying.



Thompson, that would be very easy to substantiate, just talk to all the other people who knew him.
Again, what was this guy's motive for saying that? Did he stand to "gain" anything from it?

So, we have a leftist or "to the left" mentally ill guy who shoots 6-8 people killing two and tries to assasinate a congresswoman and he's "only" a leftist or,..."to the left" and,...."not a wacko". Am I close? How could you do those things and "not" be a wacko?
And also, why was the Press so anxious to give that "leftist" stuff ..."a good leaving alone," after that interview?
To my knowledge it was only played once and dissapeared.
You guys seem to be *very sensitive* about this!

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 11:32:08 AM   
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So, we have a leftist or "to the left" mentally ill guy who shoots 6-8 people killing two and tries to assasinate a congresswoman and he's "only" a leftist or,..."to the left" and,...."not a wacko". Am I close? How could you do those things and "not" be a wacko?


What part of.... YOU got that statement wrong... didnt you get? His best friend said he wasnt left OR right.

In fact, he was an Independent. Trying to misplace the blame of one of your own party onto someone else?

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 12:45:52 PM   
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Standard Right-Wing Operating Procedure:

If anyone does a nutter and shoots anyone or even tries to shoot someone, that person is either:

a. A crazed, lone wolf with no ties to anyone or any organization and not influenced by anyone in the media,

Or

b. He's a Liberal.

Because "No True Conservative"* would ever commit violence or attempt to commit violence - the minute a Conservative does commit violence or attempt to commit violence, they immediately, magically become a "Liberal".


* "No True Scotsman" or, in this case, "No True Conservative" is a logical fallacy by which an individual attempts to avoid being associated with an unpleasant act by asserting that no true member of the group they belong to would do such a thing. Instead of acknowledging that some members of a group have undesirable characteristics, the fallacy tries to redefine the group to exclude them. A modern example may be found at the would-be Conservative encyclopedia, Conservapedia. The founder of the site, Andrew Schlafly, has repeatedly used this fallacy to defend his personal concept that Conservatives, by definition apparently, do not practice deceit or violence, at all, ever, no way. When confronted with examples of deceit or violence on the part of Conservatives, he routinely disavows that these individuals are Conservatives at all, on the basis that Conservatives do not practice deceit or violence. He instead assigns them to the group "liberal", regardless of evidence to the contrary.

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 1:06:04 PM   
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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 1:08:32 PM   
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Palin putting a target symbol over Giffords` district, saying don`t retreat,reload and broadcasting that over the widest possible area, is surely going to produce a tragedy.


Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 1:11:55 PM   
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Not sure what you are asking, kalik

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RE: Armed righty tries to take over court house,to oust... - 10/26/2011 1:23:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kinksterparty
So the guy who DIDN'T actually shoot anyone (yes, was plotting to, but didn't open fire) is an "armed wacko righty"...

Out of curiousity, can you cite one Birther who isn't also a "Righty"?

To my limited knowledge, there has never been a left-wing Birther - or at least one who has been mentioned in any reliable (Associated Press, Reuters) or semi-reliable (Fox) media.

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