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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 10:42:25 AM   
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The police officers are doing their jobs. You can't pick and choose which laws to enforce.


No you can't That's why they should OBEY the Constitutional Law protecting free speech and constitutionally lawful public assembly redressing government. And when they are in a position where they FEEL (since NOTHING else can be established about their recent actions till it goes to court) that things are affecting public safety, then they should follow those laws that govern their behavior in regard to "Use Of Force", which there seems to be substantial evidence they are not. And in keeping with your recommendation.... they shouldn't have dropped the ball on the vehicular assault that occurred last wednesday by letting the driver go as people were being loaded into ambulances and then conducting NO CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION.
   But really now, what's more important... the police adhering to some local public safety law and supports a bad/hot/naughty characterization of the Occupy Movement, or ALL THE OTHER LAWS THE COPS BROKE SO FAR?????
    Hint 'vandalism' (If you can even go that far) is a very minor felony. "Use Of Excessive Force", "Denial Of Civil Rights", "Assualt With A Deadly Weapon", and "Vehicular Assault" .... just to name a few are considered serious violent crimes against other persons.



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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 10:48:24 AM   
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Remember Kent State and tell me you want national guard there.

The cops, for the most part, are following orders.


There were 4 days when I saw my crusty old marine Dad tear up. When JFK was assassinated , ML King's murder, RFK's murder, and the day Kent State went down. He went WILD that day and because he was in charge of civil defense in our State, he had a big blow-out with the Lt. Governor over it on the phone that night, who'd told him he was thinking of having the guard go to Brown.



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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 11:04:04 AM   
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"Did you just call me a pussy communist?" -- Sheriff Buelton in response to a military officer's citing of posse comitatus in his reluctance to help capture an armed tank. Tank (1984)

I just couldn't resist.

The full exchange is below:



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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 11:48:10 AM   
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The police officers are doing their jobs. You can't pick and choose which laws to enforce.


How many cops get traffic tickets?
Your pic indicates why you are so ignorant of the history of law enforcement in my country. Perhaps if you were to educate yourself about the topic before you post you would not embarrass yourself.

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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 11:51:55 AM   
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The police were doing their job, the job we pay them to do using standard operating procedures

No they were not and the vidios shows that they were not

Neither has the retired Marine Corps Officers Association or the Marine Corps League.

90% of ex marines are not lifers so what is your point?

Retired and separated (Discharged) Marines are a formidable force in numbers and their voice will be heard via the ballot box in a disciplined orderly manner.

You obviusly know llittle about the marine corps.



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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 11:53:31 AM   
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Haven't some police lost their jobs because of the 1% destroying the economy? Aren't the police officers attacking the protesters part of the 99% or did they suddenly become millionaires? If they had any intelligence, wouldn't they be protecting the protesters instead of attacking them? Since the police are too stupid to be trusted to protect American rights, shouldn't the president station active military at the protests to protect the protesters from further attacks by police? I know some retired military are already doing that. I saw a video of several police officers backing down from a retired marine sergeant.


The president can only station active duty military inside the United States with authorization from Congress. Posse Comitatus.

The president could deploy the military if domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; . Insurection Act.

As it stands, neither of these can be placed into effect at this time.




What mechanism did president kennedy use when he sent me to oxford miss?

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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 11:56:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I'm wrong just let me know...but isn't calling out( in other words nationalizing ) the Gaurd different from utilizing active duty military units ?

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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 12:17:10 PM   
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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 4:08:21 PM   
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I can assure you the United States Marine Corps


Who fucking said the USMC formally says ANYTHING

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Retired and separated (Discharged) Marines are a formidable force in numbers and their voice will be heard via the ballot box in a disciplined orderly manner.


Quit making the marines sound like a bunch of subish village people

Fact of the matter is the number of Retired and seperated marines in good standing that have already had contact with OWS with messages of support is in the thousands and that number will grow a bit or it won't.
  Coming from a family presided over by a WWII Marine, I can very safely say they spoke much more humbly of their experience in the corps than this horseshit. One thing the post-service Marine organizations haven't done is taken a position either way.  Besides of course the VENERABLE Veteran's for Peace, and IVAW, which include MANY Separated and even some reservist Marines no longer on active duty. THeir position is very public and DECIDEDLY Pro-OWS.
   And the cop jazz? I'm one of the few in my line who isn't. But I've even done my stretch in the field and I haven't spoken with ONE relative who buys that "clean shooting" mentality.
  


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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 4:11:20 PM   
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18 US 1385 posse comitatus and article II section 2 constitution, I'd say.

WTF was up with that dead actor shit anyway?
Are these clowns using cleaning products to get high again?
We really ought to take up a collection and by them some real crack before they hurt themselves



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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/4/2011 7:23:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah, protected against the cops, definitely, but this isnt a political ploy this is chiefs and mayors having chats with their corporate masters, the politics has yet to rear its head properly zuccotti park is the result of the response by the owners. and their calls to their minions they have bought off. follow da money


Lucy, you put a smile on my face. Love your new pic. God smiled upon that girl...too.

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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/6/2011 9:06:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

If I'm wrong just let me know...but isn't calling out( in other words nationalizing ) the Gaurd different from utilizing active duty military units ?



If memory serves, jfk nationalized the national guard and confined them to barracks. He then sent one batallion (approx. 1000 men)of the 101st. airborn div. to millington tenn. (short helo hop to oxford miss.). He then sent 200 u.s. marshalls to millington tenn. and assigned marine helicoptor squadron 262 to transport and protect the marshalls.

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RE: Are the police retarded? Should protesters be guard... - 11/8/2011 8:58:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Haven't some police lost their jobs because of the 1% destroying the economy? Aren't the police officers attacking the protesters part of the 99% or did they suddenly become millionaires? If they had any intelligence, wouldn't they be protecting the protesters instead of attacking them? Since the police are too stupid to be trusted to protect American rights, shouldn't the president station active military at the protests to protect the protesters from further attacks by police? I know some retired military are already doing that. I saw a video of several police officers backing down from a retired marine sergeant.


The president can only station active duty military inside the United States with authorization from Congress. Posse Comitatus.

The president could deploy the military if domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; . Insurection Act.

As it stands, neither of these can be placed into effect at this time.


For what seems the chronically uninformed which is just what the govt. seeks:

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

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