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The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 12:49:28 PM   
crucifiedslaves


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We've been members of Collar Me for a while but in all that time we've never taken the time to look at these message boards because when we do log in we're just too busy answering messages and never took the time to explore.  We thought we'd post something here just for the fun of it.

Our S&M passion is ancient Roman style slave "executions".  You know what I mean:  heavy whipping, beam carrying, bound crucifixion, and torture on the cross.  The two of us have been fascinated by ancient Rome for a very long time.  It was the only cultured and civilized Western society to ever legalize and legitimize sadism as a perfectly normal and perfectly natural form of public amusement and public entertainment.  And, the sheer cruelty of their blood sport spectacles were incredible.  You get a feeling for that cruelty when you do a mock and simulated "execution" by crucifixion scene.  Eventhough it only mimics the real thing, eventhough you're using regular whips instead of authentic Roman scourges, and eventhough you're using ropes to hold the body on the cross instead of nails, that simulation is still VERY intense and EXTREMILY cruel.  But, it's also VERY sadomasochistically erotic too.

Actually, the whole spectrum of ancient Roman sadism is arousing.  It wasn't uncommon back then for wealthy and influential members of the Roman aristocracy to host lavish dinner parties where the guests would eat and drink to excess and where the hostess and host would provide the spectacle of naked slavewomen and naked manslaves being tortured in front of them while they ate and drank, and for no reason at all except to provide them with an exciting and thrilling bit of amusement and entertainment.  Can you imagine what it must have been like for the victims to realize that those rich people regarded them as having so little earthly worth and value that they saw it as no great loss to sacrifice them for the sake of a few laughs during their hedonistic parties?  Now THAT is REALLY dehumanizing.  THAT really DOES reduce a creature to the level of a cheap slab of meat.  But, it's a VERY masochistically exciting situation.

Has anyone done crucifixion scenes?  Do you consider it erotic and sexually arousing?  What about the situation where you're tortured in front of people purely for their viewing pleasure?  Does that sort of thing excite you as well?  Are other people into the ancient Roman way of S&M?  We're interested in finding out if other people here at Collar Me share our passion for this sort of thing and that's why we decided to place this post.  What do all of YOU think about things of this nature?

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 1:21:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice first post. I'm happy to see the other side slowed down enough for you to join us on this side of things. The standard answer you will more than likely get to your question is.."None of us can tell you how many other people of into your kink" But for myself I would like to say that yes I do know some others that are very into the visual side of this. Sadist myself I would say that though it can be very arousing that personally I see it as an art form. The colours the sounds. The amazing extreme moment in life. It is not so much the kink or the sex of the thing as it is the power you feel moving through you. Each side can/does feel it (at least I would hope they do) and of course you are using ropes,the romans used ropes too. And of course you aren't using scourge, if you did there would be more harm done than you they intended. But if you get as close as you can to the real idea of it than it will still take you someplace else while you are doing it. I've done suspended crusifixtion flogging before. You might want to look into it. I think it could add to what you already seem to be enjoying.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 1:32:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am actually not in your kink, i am sorry. But I like history, and BDSM. Therefore I am quite curious. Would you be so kind to provide some bibliography? Thank you.


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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 1:35:55 PM   
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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 1:41:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		this sounds interesting, particularly the suspension flogging MIP mentioned.
interesting thread; and welcome to the forums. ^_^

i've never done any of this, but would you care to elaborate? do you have specific parties for these activities or do you do them at group parties?


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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 2:01:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		with ropes? Yes
With nails? No. I kinda like not being paralyzed or having my hands ripped by their tendons.



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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 2:02:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crucifiedslaves
Can you imagine what it must have been like for the victims to realize that those rich people regarded them as having so little earthly worth and value that they saw it as no great loss to sacrifice them for the sake of a few laughs during their hedonistic parties? 



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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 2:06:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it kinda squicky as far as that level of objectification/dehumanization...However it's really to your credit that you know that much about it and can do the hardcore play safely. That kinda thing demands a certain level of respect even if the interest is lacking.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 2:11:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lelloy

I find it kinda squicky as far as that level of objectification/dehumanization...However it's really to your credit that you know that much about it and can do the hardcore play safely. That kinda thing demands a certain level of respect even if the interest is lacking.

She's young and brand new but shows intelligence, tolerance and promise. Can we keep her?

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 3:19:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I met a guy who does cucifixions,a nd he has his own scourge with inset glass! He did a super scene with a local lady, so you are not alone!

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 3:29:08 PM   
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  Correct me if I 'm wrong, but wasn't crucifixion normally done with rope? It was my understanding that the slow pressure of hanging in that position eventually asphyxiated you.

Maybe something to consider, safety wise.

All the best........

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 3:35:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the crucified died from positional asphyxiation. They don't call it edge play for nothing!

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 3:53:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've done a bit of research into Roman hedonism in general. I do believe that the lifestyle of Roman aristocracy was almost all about hedonism in all of its forms.

It remains my understanding however that what you speak of was not of course...Sadism or Masochism. Those terms weren't to be used for many centuries later, but the civil, publicly accepted whippings, floggings and torture evolved from the rights one obtained by the legal and govt. sanctioning of slavery. (also divorce, polygamy and prostitution)

Slaves being chattel property could suffer all manor of torture and abuse up to and including death. (early crucifixions, nails were used but victims bled to death far too quickly for Roman tastes so ropes allowed a one or two week death struggle)

The public pleasure of pain from whippings and torture also evolved from public sex orgies of up to 100-150 people...just no longer being enough. So there were soon beatings which further evolved into torture so there was never any thought that such could be a crime and would even need sanction by law.

Yes, a very compelling kink and I enjoyed your pics.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 4:09:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

this sounds interesting, particularly the suspension flogging MIP mentioned.



*No derail intended* Lilly I was just talking to the pet about maybe taking some pictures this weekend. If I can talk him into it(atm he is a tad camera shy) I will let you know when I can post them.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 4:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was under the impression that much of this was the result of public water being carried in lead pipes. That lead poisoning was behind much of the excesses of that era.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 6:08:48 PM   
Epytropos


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Status: offline 		Your history is shit, but I do share your fetish, though mine is necessarily more accurate. There are parties for this sort of thing, but they tend to be highly private affairs. I never give this advice, but look into your local community and put the idea out there. There's likely someone who runs something in the vein you want. If there isn't, you can always put something together on your own, once you have the contacts to fill the roster.

Do me a favor, though, and buy a Roman history book. The historian in me is crying

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 7:00:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		first off regarding cruxifiction. it was done almost exclusively with ropes and it was positional asphixiation that killed them. it was almost never done with nails as the body weight would rip through the hands before the fucker died. that's why they stuck jesus with a spear in the bible story, to kill him before he ripped loose.

as to the torture as entertainment, i have done it, being the one being abused for entertainment. the objectification aspect was pretty fucking heavy, and so not really to my taste, but it was still pretty fucking hot as well. whoever was being abused would have to really be into some heavy fucking objectification and dehumanization. i looked forward to it when i was told it would happen, and thought it was mega fucking hot, but come the actual event, i found it was more than i liked, so i never wanted to do it again <though she had me do it a few more times anyway - or maybe because i disliked it, nasty bitch that she was>. i don't do that with the girls - i'm not big on sharing, but we usually only work over one of them at a time, so there is always something of an audience, but that's not really the same thing.

i've done the suspension cruxifiction & flogging thing, both as doer and doee <by this i'm assuming somebody suspended in a crucifiction type position rather than actually on a cross>. that is a lot of fucking fun - i recommend that from either side of the whip/rope, but you have to keep a really fucking close eye on the one suspended. i would never do it alone, i make sure there is somebody else there who's job it is to keep a close watch on whoever is tied up, to make sure they aren't in trouble <not only with their breathing, but shoulders can dislocate pretty fucking easily when thrashing around in that position>.

i agree that the institutionalization of sadism under the empire is fucking fascinating, and i've had plenty of really satisfying moments of self love while contemplating the erotic possibilities of gladiatorial combat and such. the idea of dying for the entertainment of thousands of complete strangers to whom it isn't even that big a deal is just hot as fuck on many different levels as a masturbatory fantasy.

rereading that last sentence has just made me realize just how deeply fucked up i really am.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 7:05:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess maybe it's just me but when I had this done to me I never felt humiliated or dehumanized or objectified in any way. I just felt like I was tied to a cross and whipped and free.


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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/28/2011 7:27:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		different mind set i guess, or maybe the whole scene was different, i don't fucking know. all i know is it was more than i was comfortable with, and i'm comfortable with a whole fuck of a lot - ergo my advice.

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RE: The Ancient Roman Way Of S&M - 10/30/2011 5:56:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The sight of a naked body hanging on a cross, criss-crossed with dozens and dozens of whip welts, dripping with sweat, smeared with dirt, face twisted in grotesque expressions of anguish, eyes red from crying, animal-like sounds of misery coming out of it, chest heaving, belly undulating, muscles tense from the stress and strain of hanging under its own weight, and even spurts of piss coming out of it that the tortured creature simply hasn't the strength to hold in is a very sadomasochistically hypnotic and thrilling sight that arouses the algolagnic libido.  My husband and I have some crucifixion photos that we both ogle together while we talk about what it would be like to be the "meat" hanging from those crosses. with thousands of eyes focused on on our trashed and suffering nakedness.  And, it never fails to makes us both masochisticaly horney.  We can both fully understand why the Romans flocked to those spectacles.  We're sure that not all Romans were sadists.  Every population has its masochistic elements too.  We bet that a good portion of them probably went to those executions to fantasize about themselves hanging there like animal carcasses on display, and we bet they got just as horney as the sadists.

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