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Sanity -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 6:05:58 PM)
Right... some protest. "Reelect the criminals who are currently running this asylum..." Absolutely brilliant. quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl rob is under the delusion they want money. Wrong, as usual... It's you who's delusional in thinking setting up a tent city in protest will change anything, especially since you keep voting the same jokers into office election after election.

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 6:09:26 PM)
And you are assuming things, once again, not in evidence. [;)]

playfulotter -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 6:22:16 PM)
I don't think people shouldn't be protesting but they should be more specific on what they are protesting..... One thing I think they should be protesting wholeheartedly is political cronyism and Obama is definitely guilty of this in a big way...."crony capitalism" is not genuine capitalism because of the government interference. They should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights.

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 6:26:41 PM)
You do realize this isnt a political movement.

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 7:43:08 PM)
A better way of expressing the movement than I could ever do. http://consortiumnews.com/2011/10/30/occupy-wall-streets-elegant-message/

rulemylife -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 8:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: playfulotter I don't think people shouldn't be protesting but they should be more specific on what they are protesting..... One thing I think they should be protesting wholeheartedly is political cronyism and Obama is definitely guilty of this in a big way...."crony capitalism" is not genuine capitalism because of the government interference. They should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights. Care to explain to me when the government has ever had just a limited role? While we are at it, explain to me what "true capitalism" is. And give me some real research, not some bullshit that you heard from a conservative talking head.

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 8:21:33 PM)
quote: should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights. Im confused as to the meaning behind this statement. Anyone care to take a shot at it?

wittynamehere -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 8:44:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VioletGray Yup, pretty much what he said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i9zkQcLi4Yo Thanks for the link! He done good.

FirstQuaker -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 8:47:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights. Im confused as to the meaning behind this statement. Anyone care to take a shot at it? "True capitalism" is a mythological thing. "The only Freemarket is a Fleamarket." Name a day in the history of any land anywhere where various thieves, gangsters and swindlers, acting either separately or in leagues were not either operating or manipulating the economy for their profit, if not outright robbing it.to the same end; or actively trying to do these things. That is what these kinds of people do when they are truly skilled in their craft, prey on whole nations. The best that can be done appears to be when the people who live in the land tire of this enough to assemble and have the appropriate authoritarian designees take a rod after them and start putting some rules down with punitive sanctions applied to their violation, A thing that is going on world wide right now.

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 8:57:27 PM)
It makes me think of the letter posted by subrob from supposedly "Wall Street". The threats contained within what sorta... silly... considering there will always be someone to replace them.

MrRodgers -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 8:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights. Im confused as to the meaning behind this statement. Anyone care to take a shot at it? What that statements fails to recognize is that what we are seeing and have seen for more of the last 100 years...is capitalism. Capitalism is 'moneyism' and is both merely turning paper into money (mostly their paper into our money) but also 'gaming' the system and purchasing law to allow almost tax free, risk free speculation while also legally allowed to run up debts in the $Trillions to geometrically expand their earnings...at taxpayer risk. With all due respect I believe the poster like many, want to see a return to a free market, something entirely different from capitalism and vehemently opposed by the capitalist. A free market is one that would likely have seen several big banks go under and GM/Chrysler liquidated in chapter 7, but also would have given us a correct price (market) in housing, financing, oil and cars, for example. The entire system is legalized profiteering, immorally favorable taxes for those who actually make a very large portion of their income from buying and selling. Those earning $300,000+ enjoy 90% of all capital gains tax rate, why ? They are the ones who can afford to buy and sell things the benefits of which to society are...more unemployment and smaller GDP and for obvious reasons. Banks that can't go bankrupt of all things as other businesses do and is a world where something can actually exist that taxpayers are forced to bailout as 'too big to fail.' The free market is history's best example of maximizing productivity...capitalism and the capitalist are and is nothing of the sort and would even kill to keep things...as they are.

Termyn8or -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 9:02:22 PM)
"We get shill #1 and #2 cause half the population sits on their ass and bitches rather than vote" BULLSHIT. You put ONE muthafuker on that ballot worth a vote I will kill, maim, burn down towns and houses, shoot off nuclear bombs and everything to go vote for that candidate. You CAN'T do it just like every other group here because we can't get control of the fucking media. You fix that goddamn poroblem before you start criticising everybody. Maybe your ass voted for dud number one or dud number two, but what did you do to get a really GOOD candidate on the ballot ? Nothing, and neither did I because we CAN NOT DO THAT. DYB, your pic makes you look tough, does your ass match up to your face ? Hmmmm, I know that sounds wrong but....... Really, are you ready to go out there and risk your life ? _________________________________- NOT MANY OTHERS ARE EITHER. (yet) You heard me, you ALL heard me. If you are not willing to die for freedom you do not deserve it, and you will never get it. No kidding. I've looked down at the barrell of a un and said "shoot me now". Let's not go into what happened next. But this fear of death has to go. It's keeping you from living. T^T

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 9:07:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights. Im confused as to the meaning behind this statement. Anyone care to take a shot at it? What that statements fails to recognize is that what we are seeing and have seen for more of the last 100 years...is capitalism. Capitalism is 'moneyism' and is both merely turning paper into money but (mostly their paper into our money) but also 'gaming' the system and purchasing law to allow almost tax free, risk free speculation while also even allowed to run up debts in the $Trillions to geometrically expand their earnings...at taxpayer risk. With all due respect I believe the poster like many, want to see a return to a free market, something entirely different from capitalism and vehemently opposed by a capitalist. A free market is one that would likely have seen several big banks go under and GM/Chrysler liquidated in chapter 7, but also have given us a correct price (market) in housing, financing and oil cars for example. The entire system is legalized profiteering, immorally favorable taxes for those who actually make a very large portion of their income from buying and selling. Banks that can't go bankrupt of all things as other businesses do and is a world where something can actually exist that taxpayers are forced to bailout as 'too big to fail.' The free market is history's best example of maximizing productivity...capitalism and the capitalist are and is nothing of the sort and would even kill to keep things...as they are. Ok, lets pretend Im a student of business..... Its been many years since I have been out of the management end.... and explain to me the difference between a "free market" and what we have now. I think I have a grasp on this, but I want to be sure.

Termyn8or -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 9:21:45 PM)
Sorry to interject. A fair market is one in which people trade, and there are fair exchange rates and all those invloved in any given deal benefit in some way. Such as a baker selling a loaf of bread. If he sells the bread to someone in another country he still gets the money. If he must buy flour from another country, they still get the money. Tha tis fair trade and should be practiced in a limited fashion because anyone with common sense knows it is not good to become dependent on anyone else. A free market on the other hand is like a jungle. In a jungle, US citizens, who have become as docile as rabbits and just about as smart, are put in a cage effectively with lions and tigers. It has been open season on the US consumer for many decades now, I KNOW this. Our government has abandoned us, that long ago ! And this is the result, but them doing that was the result of them getting bought off by big money, and that was the result of people getting soft, and that was the result of the attack the bankers made on this country back in 1913, and that was the result of....... I don't play games. I want a revolution. This shit is getting old and really the time is passing when it wil even be feasible. We are lookin gat a time like "1984" here, or one of those other books. I never watched The Matrix, but really, I don't see any reason to with people hooked up to bluetooth and all this other shit. That IS the matrix !. Fuck all that, I am not watching it and I don't really need to know much more about it. All I know it whe they haul my ass in I will never capitulate. T^T

MrRodgers -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 9:30:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: should bring back true capitalism and return the government to its limited role of protecting individual rights. Im confused as to the meaning behind this statement. Anyone care to take a shot at it? What that statements fails to recognize is that what we are seeing and have seen for more of the last 100 years...is capitalism. Capitalism is 'moneyism' and is both merely turning paper into money but (mostly their paper into our money) but also 'gaming' the system and purchasing law to allow almost tax free, risk free speculation while also even allowed to run up debts in the $Trillions to geometrically expand their earnings...at taxpayer risk. With all due respect I believe the poster like many, want to see a return to a free market, something entirely different from capitalism and vehemently opposed by a capitalist. A free market is one that would likely have seen several big banks go under and GM/Chrysler liquidated in chapter 7, but also have given us a correct price (market) in housing, financing and oil cars for example. The entire system is legalized profiteering, immorally favorable taxes for those who actually make a very large portion of their income from buying and selling. Banks that can't go bankrupt of all things as other businesses do and is a world where something can actually exist that taxpayers are forced to bailout as 'too big to fail.' The free market is history's best example of maximizing productivity...capitalism and the capitalist are and is nothing of the sort and would even kill to keep things...as they are. Ok, lets pretend Im a student of business..... Its been many years since I have been out of the management end.... and explain to me the difference between a "free market" and what we have now. I think I have a grasp on this, but I want to be sure. In a way and I mean no disrespect at all but it is a shame that is our over all business education that should start in the 8th grade and force students to declare by the 10th grade but that's another post. As for a brief explanation it would a market where... there is private banking based on trust ( track record) with no govt. insurance or involvement. No federal banking system, no fed, no fed reserve notes but treasury silver certificates. Banking would be state regulated under a minimum of federal rules. Even in our monetary system, govt. has been used to insure the investor with all of these GSE's. (govt. 'sponsored' enterprises) More accurate would be govt. supported enterprises like banking, farming, (corn ethanol) defense, mortgage-warehousing, tax code etc. mortgaging on a local basis with no govt. involvement. No tax favoritism at all, one could argue even depreciation and kids. The tax code should not be influenced by private decisions. All business income treated the same as any income. I'd go so far as to suggest the elimination of the corporation and the LLC. (limited liability company) Those paper institutions need not exist and do not serve society and skew the market by eliminating legal incentives to act ethically not subject to private liability. Tariffs to protect against foreign manipulation of trade law and agreements which violate the 'free' market. Many other areas in tax and liability etc. Does that help ? I am sure there is a much more articulate way of putting it but off the top of my head, what we have tazzy is anything but a 'free' market.

tazzygirl -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/30/2011 9:37:41 PM)
But, if a free market is the optimum, as others suggest, isnt it the federal governmetnt's job to protect the individual? Using a bank as an example... the states run the banking system, the fed secures the funds to protect the individual if the bank goes under, but other than that, the bank is on its own to survive or fail? Am I understanding that correctly?

pyroaquatic -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/31/2011 5:11:02 AM)
That's right Sanity, fighting for your beliefs is cold, hard work. Getting the point across takes more than witty words.

Moonhead -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/31/2011 5:16:50 AM)
Sanity uses witty words? When was that?

Sanity -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/31/2011 5:19:31 AM)
A certain amount of planning and aforethought wouldnt have hurt their cause either (Exactly whose idea was it to begin to "occupy" as winter approached, anyway) quote: ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic That's right Sanity, fighting for your beliefs is cold, hard work. Getting the point across takes more than witty words.

slvemike4u -> RE: The PERFECT sum-up of Occupy Wall Street (10/31/2011 6:48:55 AM)
Damm sanity,just how "soft" are you ? Do you really feel people should have put airing their grievances simply because it was going to get uncomfortable ? What kind of can do Americn spirit is that? Aren't we,as Americans,imbued with that "American exceptionalism" thng ?

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