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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 6:17:06 PM

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As a local protest, perhaps... as a national political protest, they wouldnt have gained as much attention.

Hit America, especially the politicians, in their wallets and people take notice.... even the threat is enough.

Does OWS think it is "hitting" American's wallets? Are they threatening to?

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 6:22:23 PM

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Nope.. to both questions... but the perception is that they want too.. which isnt true... and that perception is all it takes.

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 6:34:51 PM

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Seems to me they are right where they need to be....If one is protesting finance's pernicious effect on government...one goes to the financial district and let their voices be heard.
And make no mistake they are being heard,if we look at our little world here(CM' political threads) one quickly notices that this movement is dominating the conversation.Why just today ,two of our longterm poster( that I know of,perhaps more have added comment) complained about the plethora of OWS threads.Seems this movement has legs....and the attention of folks

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 6:46:25 PM

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Historically, however, I think you are setting yourself up for something other than you may anticipate. In my mind, these type of protest most closely mirror a "labor/management" dispute. The history of what happens to "labor" in such situations, when "management" has control of the reigns of governmental power, isn't pretty.

I get that and have for a long time.... Perhaps, people need to take a step back and see that there is no exact parallel to this time in prior history, but rather a wealth of varied similarities.
The notion that ALL directions in political and economic discourse and conflict are already known is absurd (not what you're saying, the general notion that this is 'already known'). The fact is that this may be something other than movement or conflict that has occurred before in many important respects. i'm watching the Denver ho-down right now, but let me try it on you this way... This movement is approaching human condition top to bottom. And the labor struggle is but one important component.
And from my in person and online participation in GAs I can tell you, this has been and continues to be discussed night and day by a core of us (a huge core ,,, not something exclusive either, everyone seems to find their way there and be heard).
But making the mistake of thinking this looks like, is, fits the criteria of, etc... Will cause the opposition to make some of it's biggest mistakes.

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As well, you are handing your opponents a weapon: you can be painted as "hurting commerce", "hurting the working man" in the area ... it can be used against you. If you were conducting a similar protest in Washington, then your activities would be overtly political, and about free speech, and embarrassing for the Federal Government to take the kinds of actions that several cities have already taken against the protesters.

I'll tell ya what's dangerous... big business thinking they can sell a campaign of the 'hurting commerce note from mother' and there are plenty of labor and economic experts already anticipating that rap and it will be a colossal shot in the foot when America gets shown the connections between that and the hostage holding in congress that's been going on.I was hearing the whole set of 'descriptions' you are harkening to now in early October when this was all being initially discussed and we're remaining 4 moves ahead of the bad guys

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 6:51:32 PM

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Stern,

I wish you the best of luck. I'm glad to hear that there is a group of strategic thinkers at the core.

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 6:55:21 PM

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So you are putting the pressure on the wrong people, at the wrong place, IMO.

The pressure will turn to DC in good time.... Believe me though... If we just marched on DC from the get-go and didn't include the a strong focus cronies (you're spot-on about capitalism btw ... and you'll be happy to know the VAST majority of us support the capitalism.... we want it's DISTORTION banished from our country/economy) ... the fact is that we'd be easily contained and easily subdued.. and we'd be basically non-reflective of what the people actually hurt by this economy and the chicanery that begat it.
I'm okay with our disagreeing on this point. And I'll hold out hope it'll become clearer as time rolls on.

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 9:32:21 PM

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Stern. If you just marched on DC from the get go, you'd probably get lost because they dont have any fucking ROAD SIGNAGE there.

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 11:30:50 PM

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Stern,
I wish you the best of luck. I'm glad to hear that there is a group of strategic thinkers at the core.
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While there's no official structure, it's no longer possible to say that there isn't a very large group of regulars who are consistently there when there are items to vote on. And more and more, an item that gets decided in NYC gets passed around to see if anybody has anything to add. Still nobody in any permanent role and nobody declared a chairman of any kind... But there is a strategic structure eveolving.

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RE: Why non anarchists support OWS - 10/29/2011 11:35:30 PM

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Stern. If you just marched on DC from the get go, you'd probably get lost because they dont have any fucking ROAD SIGNAGE there.

Oh, I know DC Quite well... my old girlfriend and I have messed up the sheets in every decent hotel in the district.

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