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Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT, an... - 10/29/2011 6:34:13 PM   
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PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT, and DISGUSTING

Introduction:

For the last few years, the point has been expressed on this blog, as well as others, that the tebaggers are a violent, racist, and disgusting mob intent on transforming our society into something completely alien to our progressive democracy.  While we've all known this to be the case despite a lack of evidence, these last few weeks of vile teabagger demonstrations have provided all the evidence needed to put the question to rest and exxpose the baggers for what they truly are. Warning, this diary contains some offensive material.

I expect this to be yanked off of the Daily KOS very, very soon, so if you want to read it, better be soon.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 7:47:16 PM   
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http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/3359/10/3359_1319803260.pdf

Referring to this, Firm, in part of course.

This is the part that, apparently, should have us all concerned...

"Pick any example of abuse of power, whether it is the fascist 'war on drugs,' the police thuggery that has become so common, the random stops and searches now routinely carried out in the name of 'security' (e.g., at airports, 'border checkpoints' that aren't even at the border, 'sobriety checkpoints,' and so on), or anything else. Now ask yourself the uncomfortable question: If it is wrong for cops to do these things, doesn't that imply that the people have a right to RESIST such actions? Of course, state mercenaries don't take kindly to being resisted, even non-violently. If you question their right to detain you, interrogate you, search you, invade your home, and so on, you are very likely to be tasered, physically assaulted, kidnapped, put in a cage, or shot. If a cop decides to treat you like livestock, whether he does it 'legally' or not, you will usually have only two options: submit, or kill the cop. You can't resist a cop 'just a little' and get away with it. He will always call in more of his fellow gang members, until you are subdued or dead.

"Basic logic dictates that you either have an obligation to LET 'law enforcers' have their way with you, or you have the right to STOP them from doing so, which will almost always require killing them. (Politely asking fascists not to be fascists has a very poor track record.)"

But, of course, something is missing from that paragraph.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 7:50:53 PM   
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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 8:14:24 PM   
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quote:

I expect this to be yanked off of the Daily KOS very, very soon, so if you want to read it, better be soon.


Me think you doth expect too much... this is at best an amusement piece strung together out of all  the foilhead BS from the whole propagandist effort. Yeah sure some kooks have shown up.. If you could string a movement up because a bunch of kooks showed up. The Tea Party would be a dead stick right now...





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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 9:18:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/3359/10/3359_1319803260.pdf

Referring to this, Firm, in part of course.

This is the part that, apparently, should have us all concerned...

"Pick any example of abuse of power, whether it is the fascist 'war on drugs,' the police thuggery that has become so common, the random stops and searches now routinely carried out in the name of 'security' (e.g., at airports, 'border checkpoints' that aren't even at the border, 'sobriety checkpoints,' and so on), or anything else. Now ask yourself the uncomfortable question: If it is wrong for cops to do these things, doesn't that imply that the people have a right to RESIST such actions? Of course, state mercenaries don't take kindly to being resisted, even non-violently. If you question their right to detain you, interrogate you, search you, invade your home, and so on, you are very likely to be tasered, physically assaulted, kidnapped, put in a cage, or shot. If a cop decides to treat you like livestock, whether he does it 'legally' or not, you will usually have only two options: submit, or kill the cop. You can't resist a cop 'just a little' and get away with it. He will always call in more of his fellow gang members, until you are subdued or dead.

"Basic logic dictates that you either have an obligation to LET 'law enforcers' have their way with you, or you have the right to STOP them from doing so, which will almost always require killing them. (Politely asking fascists not to be fascists has a very poor track record.)"

But, of course, something is missing from that paragraph.


Alright, tazzygirl, what is missing?

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 9:38:20 PM   
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I gave you the link. The missing past is the end of the second paragraph. But the whole thing is an interesting read... and not the violence that is suggested.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 11:10:56 PM   
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~ FR ~

Psssst....

Every single citation of racism, hate, rape, violence, and filth in the piece relates to the OWS movement...

Not the "teabaggers."



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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 11:14:38 PM   
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Some of us realize that. I cant speak for everyone though.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 11:24:05 PM   
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Some of us realize that. I cant speak for everyone though.


Some people like to think they have a secret holy grail I guess


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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 11:28:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I cant speak for everyone though.

There are close to a thousand responses so far in the "What is the worst part about the Teabaggers" poll that follows the piece over at Daily Cell Death.

K.





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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/29/2011 11:52:24 PM   
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I wonder it that is a link to a poll that actually resides another site. 

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 5:52:23 AM   
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I posted this because I was, first, kinda shocked that it would be posted on KOS. 

Second because it shows that the people who support OWS, but trash the TEA parties might see that their trashing of the TEA parties might be more about partisan politics than they might want to admit. 

Third, so those who support the TEA parties, but trash the OWS might see that it might be more about partisan politics than they might want to admit.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 7:12:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

Psssst....

Every single citation of racism, hate, rape, violence, and filth in the piece relates to the OWS movement...

Not the "teabaggers."



K.




I think that's the joke, but I'll bet good money a solid 60% of readers don't notice it and take the premise as rote.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 9:48:11 AM   
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I posted this because I was, first, kinda shocked that it would be posted on KOS.


Why? to be honest with ya, I'm not a DailyKOS fan since to me, it's got too much nonsense on board. I mean, if I want to be politically  entertained, I'll head straight for the masters, Stewart and Colbert. But in all the time I have been aware of the KOS existing, I have never heard of them 'pulling' a counter-spoof. They just don't get the best reviews from the regulars, or become an actual source of amusement for them.
     That piece there though is just kind of a shitty hack... since it's made out of regurgitated smaller attacks on OWS and some 'genius' (and I say that cause I don't think 'autistic' is fair to those with autism... don't think they'd be keen on the association) ran it over with a spell-checker set on word-replace. Only question I have left is, did he do the "replace-all" or really check his work? The idiot poll seems to have fascinated those who go for a poll designed to their high standards


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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 9:48:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I gave you the link. The missing past is the end of the second paragraph. But the whole thing is an interesting read... and not the violence that is suggested.

There is hope, I think, especially for law enforcement that is based on old models:

Rural rebellion brewing
Oct. 28, 2011 Updated: Oct. 30, 2011 8:05 a.m.

Extract:

The evening's main event: a panel featuring eight county sheriffs (seven from California, one from Oregon) who billed themselves as "Constitution sheriffs." They vowed to stand up for the residents of their communities against what they say is an unconstitutional onslaught from regulators in Sacramento and Washington, D.C. In particular, they took issue with the federal government's misnamed Travel Management Plan, which actually is designed to shut down public travel in the forests.

Plumas County Sheriff Greg Hagwood related the stir he caused when he said he "will not criminalize citizens for just accessing public lands." Siskiyou County Sheriff Jon Lopey reminded the crowd that county sheriffs are sworn to uphold the Constitution "against all enemies, foreign and domestic." These are fighting words.

Sheriff Dean Wilson of Del Norte County said he was "ignorant and naïve about the terrible condition our state was in." He came to believe that people were being assaulted by their own government. "I spent a good part of my life enforcing the penal code but not understanding my oath." Wilson and other sheriffs said it is their role to defend the liberties of the people against any encroachments – even if those encroachments come from other branches of government.

As someone who has covered law-enforcement issues in urban Southern California, it's refreshing to hear peace officers enunciate the proper relationship between themselves and the people. Increasingly, law enforcement is based on an authoritarian model, whereby police have nearly unlimited power, and citizens must obey, period. It's rare to hear peace officers who are willing to stand up against more powerful arms of the government in service to their oath to their state and county and who affirm that their job is to protect their citizens' inherent rights. It's even rarer to hear sheriffs complain about the excessive use of force by fellow officers, which was a theme on the panel when referencing federal agents.


There are several problems or issues with this type of law enforcement. 

One is that the concept hews to some of the more ... out there ... conspiracy theorists, and has therefore been somewhat discredited by many in the mainstream.

Second, it conflicts with many liberals view that only the Federal Government can be the "source of all that is good".

Third, it has to grow much more and include more than a few isolated Sheriffs.  And those Sheriffs desperately need majority support of their citizens.  Of course, some of those Sheriffs gain their opposition from their local citizens, so that's a plus.

Fourth, many Sheriff Departments are based on, or originate from more of a "process server" and "tax collector" genesis, rather than from a purely law enforcement angle.

Fifth, you are actually, seriously talking about a rebellion, in the real political sense of the word. 

If the movement gains sympathy, however, and the Federal (or State) governments over-react, the historical result may not be what those larger governments anticipate.

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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 10:48:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Sat Oct 29, 2011 at 08:33 AM PDT
PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT, and DISGUSTING

Introduction:

For the last few years, the point has been expressed on this blog, as well as others, that the tebaggers are a violent, racist, and disgusting mob intent on transforming our society into something completely alien to our progressive democracy.  While we've all known this to be the case despite a lack of evidence, these last few weeks of vile teabagger demonstrations have provided all the evidence needed to put the question to rest and exxpose the baggers for what they truly are. Warning, this diary contains some offensive material.

I expect this to be yanked off of the Daily KOS very, very soon, so if you want to read it, better be soon.

Firm 


Are you talking about the genuine tea-party of Ron Paul and his followers or about the GOP(who stole Paul`s movement`s branding,name-brand and good name),.....which is RACIST, VIOLENT, and DISGUSTING?

As we`ve shown over the years.....in THEIR own words, time and time again.

Better bone up on your apologetics and deny/obfuscate skills there, Firm.

This coming election season,we are going to see things from your party that will make your party`s birther/Muslim/death-panal-nazi smear dirty tricks, look like love pats.




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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 10:52:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Are you talking about the genuine tea-party of Ron Paul and his followers or about the GOP(who stole Paul`s movement`s branding,name-brand and good name),.....which is RACIST, VIOLENT, and DISGUSTING?

As we`ve shown over the years.....in THEIR own words, time and time again.

Better bone up on your apologetics and deny/obfuscate skills there, Firm.

This coming election season,we are going to see things from your party that will make your party`s birther/Muslim/death-panal-nazi smear dirty tricks, look like love pats.




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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 10:59:20 AM   
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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/30/2011 11:05:43 AM   
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Are you talking about the genuine tea-party of Ron Paul and his followers


Wow... that was a short-lived tenure paul had... because by the time they had their landmark event up in the channel some 200 yds from where Occupy Boston stands entrenched today, it was all the usual GOP/Koch Bros players and no representation of Ron Paul at all. They sure stole that idea fast.



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RE: Daily KOS: PROOF the TEABAGGERS are RACIST, VIOLENT... - 10/31/2011 7:56:38 AM   
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Yet another fumbling attempt to equate the two oblique though far from converse movements.

Only the simple of mind could consider these two efforts as being in some ways diametrically in opposition, much less having much otherwise in common whatsoever.

The sad part is how desperately people cling to the old paradigms, and this includes some number of the OWS folks too.


It's time to toss the ideology and read some numbers, here.







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