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Iamsemisweet -> Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 8:36:56 AM)

http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/oct/31/many-7-billionth-babies-celebrated-worldwide/




Aylee -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 8:47:52 AM)

YAY! Babies! WOOT!


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/10/population-bomb-epic-fail.php

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In the meantime, global fertility rates have fallen so fast that we can now foresee the peak of global population a few decades out, after which we will likely start to see the world’s population start to shrink fairly dramatically. A few people in the media have started to notice: Reuters notes that falling population may present more serious social problems than rising population. (How will we pay for our welfare states, for example?) And Christopher White over on the Witherspoon Institute’s Public Discourse Blog offers some observations on how some nations are starting to regret their population-suppression policies.


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As Connelly lays out in painstaking detail, population control programs, aimed chiefly at developing nations, proliferated despite clear human rights abuses and, more importantly, new data and information that called into question many of the fundamental assumptions of the crisis mongers. Connelly recalls computer projections and economic models that offered precise and “scientifically grounded” projections of future global ruin from population growth, all of which were quickly falsified. The mass famines and food riots that were predicted never occurred; fertility rates began to fall everywhere, even in nations that lacked “family planning” programs. 

The coercive nature of the population control programs in the field was appalling. India, in particular, became “a vast laboratory for the ultimate population control campaign,” the chilling practices of which Connelly recounts:

Sterilizations were performed on 80-year-old men, uncomprehending subjects with mental problems, and others who died from untreated complications. There was no incentive to follow up patients. The Planning Commission found that the quality of postoperative care was “the weakest link.” In Maharashtra, 52 percent of men complained of pain, and 16 percent had sepsis or unhealed wounds. Over 40 percent were unable to see a doctor. Almost 58 percent of women surveyed experienced pain after IUD insertion, 24 percent severe pain, and 43 percent had severe and excessive bleeding. Considering that iron deficiency was endemic in India, one can only imagine the toll the IUD program took on the health of Indian women.



Thank you for the fear-mongering though.




DomKen -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 12:25:31 PM)

You do realize that we are precisely one Nobel winner away from famines and food riots? And even his amazing accomplishments are reaching capacity?




jlf1961 -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:19:03 PM)

All we need is one good world war and we could cut the population dramatically.  In other words, repeal the twenty second amendment and re-elect Bush, I am sure he could lie us into another war that we cannot afford.




Aylee -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:25:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You do realize that we are precisely one Nobel winner away from famines and food riots? And even his amazing accomplishments are reaching capacity?


The population peak is near and then there will be shrinkage. Which I feel fine about waiting for rather than the continued slaughter of baby girls and forced sterilizations.

I do not feel that China is AWESOME-SAUCE.





littlewonder -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:31:09 PM)

China and India are already finding there's a shortage of females for males. This alone is going to drastically shrink the population in the near future. I don't think we have anything to worry about as far as population growth and imo I think we're going to have the exact opposite problem in the future.





SternSkipper -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:39:00 PM)

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China and India are already finding there's a shortage of females for males. This alone is going to drastically shrink the population in the near future.


Anybody wanna go in on a porn site for Indian and Chinese guys?
I smell a small fortune




SternSkipper -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:40:09 PM)

Face it, their gonna have time on their hands




provfivetine -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:43:44 PM)

This is a problem. There were 1 billion people in 1800 and now that figure is multiplied by seven-fold. The Africans need to stop having so many kids; if they don't, then that whole continent is going to enter into an uncharted state of disease, poverty, and famine (much worse than it is now).




popeye1250 -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 1:53:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/oct/31/many-7-billionth-babies-celebrated-worldwide/


And the U.S. feeds much of the world's population with our vast agriculturalism businesses.
One or two bad years and.....
However if population keeps increasing there will be a point at which we are at maximum capacity and we'll see the population drop drastically.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 3:13:37 PM)

Lots of misery contained in those words.  But people don't really seem to care about that, since it is happening "over there".
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we'll see the population drop drastically.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 3:14:52 PM)

That sounds optimistic.  Got any science to back that up, or is this just an opinion?
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

China and India are already finding there's a shortage of females for males. This alone is going to drastically shrink the population in the near future. I don't think we have anything to worry about as far as population growth and imo I think we're going to have the exact opposite problem in the future.






jlf1961 -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 4:03:20 PM)

The planet has a unique way of dealing with population problems, it is hunger, disease and of course, humanities favorite, war.

In 2009, the African Continent had 75% of the world's HIV related deaths, with only 14.9% of the world's population.

In the last ten years, persistent droughts have struck all over the world, including the US.  Whether you believe in the theory of human impact on climate change, or if you believe in the theory that it is a normal warming trend that has happened on this planet since life began, you cannot deny that the world climate is heating up.

Desertification is happening in Morocco, Tunisia, and Libya at the rate of 100,000 hectares a year.

Of course, to deal with the drought in the US, the farmers are using more water wells to irrigate crops, of course, with no rain fall, there is no water to replace what is being used. 

Figure it this way, the planet is going to do something that we humans will be powerless to deal with, be it a global disaster like a super volcano eruption, some sort of pandemic, or world wide famine.

I am kinda leaning toward some sort of pandemic, probably something that we have a vaccine to prevent but the majority of the world's population has let lapse, so when it hits, most people are going to be screwed.




littlewonder -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 8:21:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

That sounds optimistic.  Got any science to back that up, or is this just an opinion?
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

China and India are already finding there's a shortage of females for males. This alone is going to drastically shrink the population in the near future. I don't think we have anything to worry about as far as population growth and imo I think we're going to have the exact opposite problem in the future.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-01-11/world/china.bride.shortage_1_one-child-policy-female-fetuses-preference-for-male-heirs?_s=PM:WORLD

http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/how-bad-it-gets-when-there-is-a-shortage-of-women/




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 10:20:51 PM)

Thanks LW.  Those links do talk about sex selection, and the preference for boy, which I was already aware of.  Not one of them says that this is going to "drastically shrink" the population or that there is going to be the exact opposite problem in the future.  So I guess your statement is just your opinion.  In fact, everything I have read has indicated that population is going to continue to grow, to at least 10 billion.






Aylee -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (10/31/2011 11:35:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Thanks LW.  Those links do talk about sex selection, and the preference for boy, which I was already aware of.  Not one of them says that this is going to "drastically shrink" the population or that there is going to be the exact opposite problem in the future.  So I guess your statement is just your opinion.  In fact, everything I have read has indicated that population is going to continue to grow, to at least 10 billion.





Okay. . .

It is a numbers thing.

Boys do NOT get pregnant. Girls do.

If you have 100 people, 50 boys and 50 girls, and each female has three children, there will be 75 boys and 75 girls in the next generation (250 total). Another generation will get you 225 children, 112 boys and 113 girls (475 total). 375 people are left when your first generation dies off.

If you have 100 people and girls have been killed off, so you have 75 boys and 25 girls. Three children per female you have 175 total. Next generation you have 18 girls and 57 boys. 250 total. 150 left when your first generation does off. 54 children born the next generation. 204 people until your next gen dies off. Then you have 129 people left. You are no longer adding to the population. You are not replacing yourselves. Population begins to shrink.

It is not science. It is math. [8|]




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (11/1/2011 7:19:23 AM)

Except your math is bullshit because it does not represent the actual numbers, or the situation.  For starters, your male/female ratio is incorrect, and your birth rate is law.But cite me a credible source (hint:  not you)  that says that the population is going to shrink.  Because everything I read is pretty clear that we are going to hit 10 Billion by 2050.  But thanks for playing.




Aylee -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (11/1/2011 7:22:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Except your math is bullshit because it does not represent the actual numbers, or the situation.  For starters, your male/female ratio is incorrect, and your birth rate is law.But cite me a credible source (hint:  not you)  that says that the population is going to shrink.  Because everything I read is pretty clear that we are going to hit 10 Billion by 2050.  But thanks for playing.


How about the book and article I linked to in my first post on this topic.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (11/1/2011 7:33:20 AM)

I clicked your link, it still doesn't support your numbers, especially in regard to sex ratio and birth rate.  For example, in the countries where sex selection is widely practiced (with the exception of China) the birth rate is closer to 4-8 per woman. 
I don't disagree though, I think the population will get close to 10 Billion and then drop dramatically.  I just think there is a lot of misery and starvation tied up in that dramatic drop.  I find the thought of all that misery unbearable, you obviously don't.  Heartless bitch is right.




littlewonder -> RE: Something really scary on Halloween (11/1/2011 8:23:26 AM)

here's another link that might explain it better for you

http://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/demographic-winter/




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