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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

Maybe it's because they keep lobbing rockets into Israel... Duh!

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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

Maybe it's because they keep lobbing rockets into Israel... Duh!

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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

Maybe it's because they keep lobbing rockets into Israel... Duh!

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A question Firm : A few posts back you suggested that a poster,who is perceived as liberal( though I myself know of a few issues where she is decidedly conservative in my opinion,2nd amendment for example) is trying to prevent the political rise of a candidate that she disagrees with ideologically speaking.
What is wrong with that?
Has than not been done,from the other side of the aisle,where than candidate Obama was concerned?
Pot....kettle...black [8|]

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And Israel has been blowing up buildings without regard to who gets hurt since 1947.  Fuck them.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

How DOES the King David Hotel bombing fit in with your image of poor, "set upon by every side", Israel, Rob?

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Operation Agatha (Saturday, June 29, 1946) sometimes called Black Shabbat or Black Saturday because it began on the Jewish sabbath, was a police and military operation conducted by the British authorities in the British Mandate of Palestine. Soldiers and police searched for arms and made arrests in Jerusalem, Tel-Aviv, and Haifa, and in several dozen settlements; the semi-official Jewish Agency was raided. The total number of British security forces involved is variously reported as 10,000, 17,000, and 25,000. About 2,700 individuals were arrested, among them Moshe Sharett. The British objectives included dissuading the Haganah and the Palmach, Lehi (Stern Gang), and the Irgun Tzvai Leumi, from undertaking further attacks against British troops and officials, as well as possibly dissuading a unilateral proclamation of a Jewish state, and bolstering morale.

[/link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Agatha

Commissioned by the left-liberal Israeli weekly KOTERET RASHIT to write an account of Arabs living beyond the Green Line--the border between pre-1967 and post-1967 Israel--David Grossman spent seven weeks traveling in the West Bank to interview both Arab and Jewish residents. The product of his investigation, THE YELLOW WIND, appeared in May, 1987, well before the Arab uprising, but it movingly reveals the conditions that were to spark the riots and demonstrations.Grossman is disturbed, and disturbing, as he tells of a man whose house has been destroyed because a son turned terrorist, of a child whose doll is confiscated at the Allenby Bridge even though a soldier carefully disassembled it to check for explosives, of a young man who spends weeks in prison for no reason. However well-intentioned Israel was in 1967, in many ways the lives of the Arabs in the West Bank have not improved.While graphically documenting the price the Arabs pay for Israeli rule, Grossman’s main concern is the cost to Israel, which he regards as nothing less than the loss of the country’s soul. No occupying force can remain moral, and the Arabs are too numerous to be absorbed into the country; if Israel granted them full citizenship, they would control the government in a few decades and so destroy the Jewish character of the country. Grossman therefore urges the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the West Bank and Gaza, lest the fabled yellow wind swirl out of the east to set the land ablaze and destroy the evildoers.

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And if the Israelis had not displaced Palestinians and kicked them off their land (in other words, "minded their own business"), then the Palestinians wouldn't be throwing bombs at them.  See how that works?  Also, I don't know if you read your own post, but the information you posted specifically says that one of the reasons for Operation Agatha was to dissuade further attacks against British troops and officials.  Meaning they were being attacked by zionists. 

It must be kind of soul destroying to be an apologist for Israel, Rob.  I think you should read Yellow Wind. 

Commissioned by the left-liberal Israeli weekly KOTERET RASHIT to write an account of Arabs living beyond the Green Line--the border between pre-1967 and post-1967 Israel--David Grossman spent seven weeks traveling in the West Bank to interview both Arab and Jewish residents. The product of his investigation, THE YELLOW WIND, appeared in May, 1987, well before the Arab uprising, but it movingly reveals the conditions that were to spark the riots and demonstrations.Grossman is disturbed, and disturbing, as he tells of a man whose house has been destroyed because a son turned terrorist, of a child whose doll is confiscated at the Allenby Bridge even though a soldier carefully disassembled it to check for explosives, of a young man who spends weeks in prison for no reason. However well-intentioned Israel was in 1967, in many ways the lives of the Arabs in the West Bank have not improved.While graphically documenting the price the Arabs pay for Israeli rule, Grossman’s main concern is the cost to Israel, which he regards as nothing less than the loss of the country’s soul. No occupying force can remain moral, and the Arabs are too numerous to be absorbed into the country; if Israel granted them full citizenship, they would control the government in a few decades and so destroy the Jewish character of the country. Grossman therefore urges the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the West Bank and Gaza, lest the fabled yellow wind swirl out of the east to set the land ablaze and destroy the evildoers.

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So, you are one side of a question, and Cain is on the other side.

*shrugs*

You are simply attacking him because you are a liberal, and he's not, therefore any attack that you can use in an attempt to prevent his political rise is fair game to you.

Got it.

Firm

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Israel's been under siege since 1967, I don't fucking blame them for retaliating. Fuck the Palestinians.

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That's the best you can do, Rob?  You aren't even a very good apologist for Israel.  The Brits WEREN'T occupying Israel, since Israel was founded in 1948.  On second thought, don't read Yellow Wind.  Try picking up a history book, instead.
Or, maybe you should go back to just saying "Duh".

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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

Maybe it's because they keep lobbing rockets into Israel... Duh!

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I am not even close to an apologist for the Palestinians.  Try reading my comments in context.  But to deny they exist (see OP) or to deny they have a right to be pissed off is pretty blind.