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darchChylde -> Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 7:58:07 AM)

Just like the title says, though I think that much of what I say may be universal to all starting in the community (and maybe those more experienced too).  As always, milage may vary.

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Where did all this "nobody wants to meet newbies" come from? 

Is the scene really like that now?

Has it always been that way and I just lucked into the right time and place where I would be popular and desired as a newcomer to the scene?

Was it because I asked the right questions, or even the wrong questions; but at least had the nerve to show up and ask?

Was my young body just so damned luscious that women (and men, as much of my early advice came from dominant men and the occasional submissive men that gave me good general tips... like my favorite that I give to this day: Treat her like a woman first, and never forget that under all those dominant trappings is still a woman.).

Maybe I was lucky, I didn't find the online scene until many years after my real world induction.  By that time, I already had many positive and negative experiences and two serious and eventually long-term relationships.  Maybe the mistake is seeking online communities first.

Of course, most men don't get thrust into the real-world community by a knowing and loving friend as their introduction into the world of honest-to-goodness people into kink.  Most men don't have the double-edged sword of much of their early (physical) training being on a public stage and for play.

But come on!  I was taken to a real live community event and though I shied my way through that first time, and hid under my friend's wing; I finally got up the nerve to go back alone.   First at a "Kink Common Sense 101" kind of show and tell/ask and answer lecture which allowed me entrance to a play party that night, if I didn't go to the tutorial, I would only be able to visit the play party as a guest of a member(like my first night).

But still, at the tutorial session I participated and asked questions.  I socialized (mostly about the vanilla world) afterwards in the semi-private "brunch", this was held in daylight in a partially open air dungeon, allowing me to get the lay of the land and wander around without all the stress and noise and crowded bodies of the play party. 

Though I didn't want to go back as a guest, where I would inevitably use that person as a crutch to hide behind again; I still made connections at the tutorial brunch of people I felt I might be able to trust if I had a question about someone, needed advice or a push, or just a comfortable rest with someone I felt wouldn't abuse me.

Seriously, I can't emphasize this enough: If you have little to no experience, don't go to your first play party to play.  Go to socialize and get a feeling of the atmosphere of the place.  Meet people and ask questions.  If you preface it right, you can ask the most personal questions of kinksters and usually get an honest, sincere and well thought out answer.

While some were stiff with the new guy, most embraced a newcomer who admitted that he only had an inkling of what he wanted and genuinely wanted to learn not just about the kink but the people behind the weird titles and surnames and funny/scary/sexy outfits. 

I made it a point to be myself, not my idea of a submissive man (cause what did I know).  Dominant women in particular appreciated this.  Imagine a man who was respectful, but didn't automatically kneel; thus trying to force her into a certain role with a person she didn't know from Adam.  Seriously, treat them like women, like people; until they give you signals (or tell you, if you're like me and particularly dense) that you may feel free to act in a more subservient manner to her.

Don't just limit yourself to associating with your partner archetype (example: for a submissive male, dominant women).  Most submissives in the community are rather rabid as a group when it comes to someone actually being abused.  They will gang up on d-types trying to force you to be their submissive or taking you in directions or to extremes you are obviously not ok with.  The brother and sisterhood of submissives are very loyal to their own and will watch your back.  They'll let you know if the person you're talking to has a bad reputation (though you'll often find in the community, rep can often be taken with a grain of salt).  They will lead you to people they think you might be compatible with and help you in your approach.  Just don't alienate yourself from this powerful group (remember there are far more s-types than d-types) by trying to be more than you are, they can smell bullshit pretty quickly, as there is alot going around all the time.  You may even find yourself in a squirmy and yummy puppy-pile with some sexy and cuddly s-types.  Believe it or not, it's not uncommon to find s-types playing with each other of their own accord.

As far as dominant men, most will give you good grounded advice just so long as you don't present yourself as a bitch to the entire room as soon as you enter.  You're a submissive, that doesn't mean that you can't still be a man.

I found that just by being myself and being honest that I didn't know shit but was willing to learn that I had become a hot commodity as a piece of fresh meat and blank canvas.  Literally, as I was second in earnings at an auction a few weeks later.  Not to mention that I made lots of friends, some casual lovers and playmates and even got myself an experienced and sexy dominant woman to train me towards what she wanted, while helping me refine what i wanted out of the who kit-and-caboodle.





GreedyTop -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:35:37 AM)

I love you, Darch :)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:40:28 AM)

~le sigh~

Can you show them how to suit up and leave the house next? And show up if they say they will?




OttersSwim -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:45:28 AM)

Solid advice!  :)




darchChylde -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:45:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I love you, Darch :)


Thanks, Greedy; everyone needs to here that once in a while, and today it's my turn dammit!  I absolutely adore/drool over you.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

~le sigh~

Can you show them how to suit up and leave the house next? And show up if they say they will?


Sorry, most are still in diapers for non-kink reasons.*

*In case you didn't realize it, I am a very sarcastic person and this was a tongue-in-cheek statement.




OttersSwim -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 9:00:08 AM)

I think it also important to point out that Darch's guide has virtually nothing to do with "online"....that is a MAJOR CLUE...

If you really want to get involved with kink...find your local community and go to a munch..

Be sane, be courteous, be interesting and interested.

Realize that nothing kinky is going to happen with anyone, until you establish a VANILLA CONNECTION FIRST.




darchChylde -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 9:16:46 AM)

Thank you Otter.  While I did point out that I found the online community long after the real world community found me, maybe I should have specified.

This was my personal introduction into the world of kink and the things I learned from it.  And while I took a few wrong steps early on, I was able to avoid many of the hazards by listening to those who fricken' knew better than I did.

Yes, sites like collarme are a great place to learn from those with experience, you still know exactly jack and shit until you try your skills and knowledge out in the real world. 

Even what you think you're into is suspect.  Sure, extreme CBT sounds great in the fantasy world of the mind; but when someone sticks a tuning fork into your pecker and flicks it until both you and the fork are singing in a clear high C, you might find you don't really want things stuck in that particulart out hole.  That's an extreme example, but the same can apply to heavy spanking, shibari, forced bisexuality, face sitting and toilet slavery.

Until you've kicked the tires, even who you are in the lifestyle is still going to be something of a mystery to you.  That's why you will find many people who will tell you that they played around with it but moved on after this or that happened.  Kink is absolutely perfect for spank material, being taboo and often involving very scantily clad women; but the lifestyle isn't for everyone.  If it were, then it would not be considered "the other alternative" lifestyle.  And guess what, in most places it's still technically illegal.  Most states still don't allow one to legally consent to assault.




GreedyTop -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 9:19:44 AM)

Darch.. yanno I adore and drool over you too :)


I think your OP should be a sticky!! IN HUGE RED LETTERS!!!




darchChylde -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 5:37:04 PM)

Would be cool.  I've never been stickied before.  Or did you just want me sticky?




HannahLynn -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:14:45 PM)

good advice. of course you could just be fucking kinky and not fucking bother with all the "community" bullshit. just pick up chicks and pervert them.

i don't get the anti-newbie shit either. i fucking love newbies; no bad habits, no idiot ideas instilled by other dommes.

they are also enthusiastic and scared, and that is a fucking delicious combination.all a quiver and quaking and crying with their cunts dripping down their legs. wanting to run away and run to me at the same time, wanting to kill me and kiss me. fucking wonderful. the look of excitement and terror when i say "let's go downstairs" just makes my whole fucking body tingle.

so yea give me a newbie to pervert any day.




PeonForHer -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:24:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynn


the look of excitement and terror when i say "let's go downstairs" just makes my whole fucking body tingle.




Aren't you allowed to smoke upstairs, then?




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:36:31 PM)

~snerk~ I love you, Darling.

Hannah does have a point, the idea isn't necessarily the magical "community" so much as just leaving the house and meeting people. I used to love newbs!




HannahLynn -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 8:47:36 PM)

quote:

Aren't you allowed to smoke upstairs, then?
this is for you my dear peasant-type.




GreedyTop -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 9:34:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

Would be cool.  I've never been stickied before.  Or did you just want me sticky?



That would work, too ;)




PeonForHer -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 9:53:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Hannah does have a point, the idea isn't necessarily the magical "community" so much as just leaving the house and meeting people. I used to love newbs!


True. And from the sub side, the amazed and delighted 'What? You'll just do what I want you to do? And I can do what I want to you?' experience is unbeatable. Only had it once but, by gum, I'd have it again and again . . . .




HannahLynn -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/3/2011 11:25:12 PM)

yea, i can see that, i feel like a fucking kid in a candy store all the fucking time. i'm sure my enthusiasm shows now and then.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/4/2011 8:34:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

Just like the title says, though I think that much of what I say may be universal to all starting in the community (and maybe those more experienced too).  As always, milage may vary.

______________

Where did all this "nobody wants to meet newbies" come from? 

Is the scene really like that now?

Has it always been that way and I just lucked into the right time and place where I would be popular and desired as a newcomer to the scene?

Was it because I asked the right questions, or even the wrong questions; but at least had the nerve to show up and ask?

Was my young body just so damned luscious that women (and men, as much of my early advice came from dominant men and the occasional submissive men that gave me good general tips... like my favorite that I give to this day: Treat her like a woman first, and never forget that under all those dominant trappings is still a woman.).

Maybe I was lucky, I didn't find the online scene until many years after my real world induction.  By that time, I already had many positive and negative experiences and two serious and eventually long-term relationships.  Maybe the mistake is seeking online communities first.

Of course, most men don't get thrust into the real-world community by a knowing and loving friend as their introduction into the world of honest-to-goodness people into kink.  Most men don't have the double-edged sword of much of their early (physical) training being on a public stage and for play.

But come on!  I was taken to a real live community event and though I shied my way through that first time, and hid under my friend's wing; I finally got up the nerve to go back alone.   First at a "Kink Common Sense 101" kind of show and tell/ask and answer lecture which allowed me entrance to a play party that night, if I didn't go to the tutorial, I would only be able to visit the play party as a guest of a member(like my first night).

But still, at the tutorial session I participated and asked questions.  I socialized (mostly about the vanilla world) afterwards in the semi-private "brunch", this was held in daylight in a partially open air dungeon, allowing me to get the lay of the land and wander around without all the stress and noise and crowded bodies of the play party. 

Though I didn't want to go back as a guest, where I would inevitably use that person as a crutch to hide behind again; I still made connections at the tutorial brunch of people I felt I might be able to trust if I had a question about someone, needed advice or a push, or just a comfortable rest with someone I felt wouldn't abuse me.

Seriously, I can't emphasize this enough: If you have little to no experience, don't go to your first play party to play.  Go to socialize and get a feeling of the atmosphere of the place.  Meet people and ask questions.  If you preface it right, you can ask the most personal questions of kinksters and usually get an honest, sincere and well thought out answer.

While some were stiff with the new guy, most embraced a newcomer who admitted that he only had an inkling of what he wanted and genuinely wanted to learn not just about the kink but the people behind the weird titles and surnames and funny/scary/sexy outfits. 

I made it a point to be myself, not my idea of a submissive man (cause what did I know).  Dominant women in particular appreciated this.  Imagine a man who was respectful, but didn't automatically kneel; thus trying to force her into a certain role with a person she didn't know from Adam.  Seriously, treat them like women, like people; until they give you signals (or tell you, if you're like me and particularly dense) that you may feel free to act in a more subservient manner to her.

Don't just limit yourself to associating with your partner archetype (example: for a submissive male, dominant women).  Most submissives in the community are rather rabid as a group when it comes to someone actually being abused.  They will gang up on d-types trying to force you to be their submissive or taking you in directions or to extremes you are obviously not ok with.  The brother and sisterhood of submissives are very loyal to their own and will watch your back.  They'll let you know if the person you're talking to has a bad reputation (though you'll often find in the community, rep can often be taken with a grain of salt).  They will lead you to people they think you might be compatible with and help you in your approach.  Just don't alienate yourself from this powerful group (remember there are far more s-types than d-types) by trying to be more than you are, they can smell bullshit pretty quickly, as there is alot going around all the time.  You may even find yourself in a squirmy and yummy puppy-pile with some sexy and cuddly s-types.  Believe it or not, it's not uncommon to find s-types playing with each other of their own accord.

As far as dominant men, most will give you good grounded advice just so long as you don't present yourself as a bitch to the entire room as soon as you enter.  You're a submissive, that doesn't mean that you can't still be a man.

I found that just by being myself and being honest that I didn't know shit but was willing to learn that I had become a hot commodity as a piece of fresh meat and blank canvas.  Literally, as I was second in earnings at an auction a few weeks later.  Not to mention that I made lots of friends, some casual lovers and playmates and even got myself an experienced and sexy dominant woman to train me towards what she wanted, while helping me refine what i wanted out of the who kit-and-caboodle.



I just want to say...."you REALLY put a lot in to that".

(But frankly....I just don't give a shit).




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/11/2011 7:41:31 PM)

Well, I for one agree with Greedy and think this should definitely be a sticky.  Great job Darch, although we know that the ones who should be reading this don't often enough come to this side of CM.  More the sadder for it too. 




MariaB -> RE: Another beginner's guide for the submissive male. (11/12/2011 2:04:04 AM)

Very good post and it would be nice to think that lots of male subs have read it, but somehow darchChylde I doubt they have!
A submissive male new to the scene is just as likely or unlikely to find a Domme than the old timer that has been around forever but never learnt from his mistakes.
The mistake a lot of sub guys make is, they are too zoned into their own fantasy and put their full concentration onto the women of their dreams. These are not the guys that step back and observe the more popular male subs amongst them. What is it these guys do to gain such popularity amongst the dominant women? Why is it that when 'Pete the feet' approaches a Domme she smiles because she is genuinely pleased to see him? What these guys aren't seeing is, dominant women are clambering over one another to have a taste of this sub. Those who keep a step back and observe him will learn, those that don't never will. A guy doesn't have to be pretty, he doesn't have to have a body like Arnie. He stands as much chance if he's fresh meat than if he's old mutton but only if he gets it right.




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