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kalikshama -> RE: Cat health question (11/18/2011 7:45:59 PM)

When I lived in an apartment, I cremated. When I had land, I buried.




Duskypearls -> RE: Cat health question (11/18/2011 7:49:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you all for your so kind words. We got binxie home and havent seen her since. she is hiding and the man doesnt want to disturb her. Lilly, our other cat is also upset. Its amazing how they can tell when something is wrong with the other.

The x-ray they did of her leg got part of the lungs. He pointed out he said was masses in her lungs... saying... "While I cant be positive because I wasnt trying to get her lungs, what I see here is not promising". He mentioned amputation.... no way, not gonna do that to her... told the man that as well. But, thank you for the suggestion, Dusky... to be honest, we were so stunned we didnt know what to ask.

He cant handle the planning, so that is falling to me. Im thinking cremation... anyone dealt with that for their pets? Any advice or suggestions?


Binxie (and you all), obviously need time to calm and settle down after this. Were she my cat and valuable to me, I would get 2 chest views to confirm or deny, so I'd never had to wonder if I'd made a wrong decision based on incomplete information.

As offensive as it may sound now, amputation is actually a common, viable option, depending upon the weight, age, and health of the animal. They tend to get along very well after amputation (much better than humans), easily becoming "tripods." Is it a front or rear leg? Was the cancer located high or low on the leg? How much of the leg is involved?

Was the cancer anywhere near what might have been a previous vaccination site?

Chemo is difficult, expensive, and takes quite a toll. which is why I was recommending the Neoplasene, which is natural and far, far less expensive.

Cremation is a personal choice. I've been to a reputable pet crematorium in my area and was very impressed. They offered many beautiful urns, and what not, and even jewelry, into which some of the remaining "ashes" can be placed.

I'm sure whatever you decide will be right.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Cat health question (11/18/2011 10:19:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you all for your so kind words. We got binxie home and havent seen her since. she is hiding and the man doesnt want to disturb her. Lilly, our other cat is also upset. Its amazing how they can tell when something is wrong with the other.

The x-ray they did of her leg got part of the lungs. He pointed out he said was masses in her lungs... saying... "While I cant be positive because I wasnt trying to get her lungs, what I see here is not promising". He mentioned amputation.... no way, not gonna do that to her... told the man that as well. But, thank you for the suggestion, Dusky... to be honest, we were so stunned we didnt know what to ask.

He cant handle the planning, so that is falling to me. Im thinking cremation... anyone dealt with that for their pets? Any advice or suggestions?


Binxie (and you all), obviously need time to calm and settle down after this. Were she my cat and valuable to me, I would get 2 chest views to confirm or deny, so I'd never had to wonder if I'd made a wrong decision based on incomplete information.

As offensive as it may sound now, amputation is actually a common, viable option, depending upon the weight, age, and health of the animal. They tend to get along very well after amputation (much better than humans), easily becoming "tripods." Is it a front or rear leg? Was the cancer located high or low on the leg? How much of the leg is involved?

Was the cancer anywhere near what might have been a previous vaccination site?

Chemo is difficult, expensive, and takes quite a toll. which is why I was recommending the Neoplasene, which is natural and far, far less expensive.

Cremation is a personal choice. I've been to a reputable pet crematorium in my area and was very impressed. They offered many beautiful urns, and what not, and even jewelry, into which some of the remaining "ashes" can be placed.

I'm sure whatever you decide will be right.


As Dusky said, you two need time to process the information and then figure out what the next best step is. I also agree that dismissing amputation so quickly is not a good idea, depending how old Binxie is, and how long such a step would prolong her life. For months? Not worth it. For years? Worth considering.

There are two types of pet cremation. "Group" and individual. Obviously, individual cremation is more expensive. Most vets offices do offer it though. My cousin had one of her dogs die earlier this year and I know that Rage is in a nice box on the bay windowsill. Cheyenne was horribly ill and they finally had to put her down, but I never asked if they cremated her individually and put her with Rage (they were together many years). Both these dogs were pit bulls and I'm pretty sure the cost of cremation was at least $500. For a cat, it should be significantly less.

The most important thing to consider when making this decision is how much pain Binxie is in. If she isn't in that much pain (even favoring the leg), you might want to take Dusky's Neoplasene suggestion and give it a try. If she is in pain, or when that time comes, your first thoughts need to be what is best for Binxie; keeping her around because you aren't ready to let go, or euthanizing her so that she doesn't suffer in pain. I've known people who have kept their animals around with the concept they should die a "natural" death, and have seen how much pain those animals were in. It was very selfish of the owners, in my opinion.

You have the weekend to start thinking about what to do and can call to talk to the vet on Monday. A good vet, like a good human doctor, should have no trouble getting on the phone to answer your questions. Just make sure you have a list of what you want to ask. This way you don't forget anything, and you don't waste any of your vet's time trying to think while you are on the phone. You are a nurse after all, so even though biologically different, most of the terms and such should be very familiar to you as well as potential treatments. The outcomes, however, are very different in animals.




SixMore2Go -> RE: Cat health question (11/18/2011 10:47:26 PM)

Oh for the love of God, I'm so sorry to read that girl. Me sympathies to you and please pass them on on to your Man as well.




Duskypearls -> RE: Cat health question (11/18/2011 10:54:33 PM)

I second all LayfayetteLady has offered.

Tazz, if you're interested, I can put you in touch with a very good holistic vet in my area (the ONLY one in Colorado Springs, CO), who is well known for working with different cancers, and Neoplasene. For a nominal phone consultation fee (maybe $35 or so), you could fax/mail/email your cat's x-rays, records, and any other diagnostics, and get the benefit of his experienced opinion. He was a mainstream vet for several decades before becoming completely holistic, so with him you get the benefit of both worlds. He's incredibly caring, kind and generous with his time and information. I can say this with all truthfullness, as I did my vet tech internship with him earlier this year. He has also been my vet for the last 6 years I've lived here.

If you do decide the consider the Neoplasene, Binxie would need to take it for the rest of her life, as osteosarcoma (bone cancer) is VERY aggressive and difficult to treat, and as a result, does not always respond well to Neoplasene.

Please know I am NOT trying to sway you one way or the other, my dear, and my only desire is to share what little I know, and support you with your experience. You may end up deciding to simply try to find some pain meds to make her as comfortable as possible (i.e., Butorphanol, Bupenorphine, Morphine, or Fentanyl patch).

Here's the site of the Dr. who created Neoplasene for your perusal:

http://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/treatments/neoplasene.html

My love and best wishes to you all.




tazzygirl -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 6:58:40 AM)

So much information. The man isnt ready to face all this. He isnt sure if he wants her ashes. So many decisions.




GreedyTop -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 7:05:01 AM)

Tazzy, while the Man may not be ready to face the eventuality, it is gonna happen, no matter what.

I hurt for you both.

I had my Gracious Girl cremated (and dammit, I'm crying now...) almost 2 yrs ago when I had to let her go. Got her urn right here next to me, and as odd as it may seem, it brings me comfort to see her there.

I wish I had been able to do the same for her brother. He was buried (in the backyard of a house my Mom no longer owns).




xxblushesxx -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 7:11:20 AM)

HM has quite a few urns by now. (we've had lots of pets and still do) I'm trying to talk him into burial from now on. After a while, there are so many...




LafayetteLady -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 10:43:06 AM)

blushes,

Perhaps you guys could scatter the pets' ashes somewhere and get a plaque to memorialize them all?




LafayetteLady -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 10:44:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Tazzy, while the Man may not be ready to face the eventuality, it is gonna happen, no matter what.



And the longer you wait, the fewer options you are going to have.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 10:48:27 AM)

I doubt that will happen. We have seven live animals right now, and more coming in the future I'm sure. We'll just keep adding more and more ashes and urns until our rooms are full. [8|]
Although I do like your idea better.




tazzygirl -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 11:59:04 AM)

Another question... and I do hope people dont think Im callous for asking this... we have another cat, Lilly. She and Binxie have been together for 7 years. We are now faced with dealing with her loss too.

Binxie wont come out from under the bed, but she will stick her head out to be petted (which makes me feel better).

Lilly wont go into the bedroom, even though she typically claims the bed as her domain during the day. She goes to the door, looks, but wont go in, then comes back out to climb onto the back of the sofa.

How do you deal with a pet's loss as well?




GreedyTop -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 12:02:37 PM)

lots of love, attention etc.




tazzygirl -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 12:02:52 PM)

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Tazzy, while the Man may not be ready to face the eventuality, it is gonna happen, no matter what.


He doesnt want her ashes... I think that is a mistake.

I have no idea how much longer she has.

The xray showed her right front leg with a mass near the shoulder.... it looks broken at first glance on the xray, but you can see the mass growing from it.




soul2share -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 8:10:00 PM)

Tazzy, when I had to put down my dog, my cat KB mourned for weeks. He knew Shiloh left with me, but couldn't understand why he didn't come home with me. He searched everywhere in the house for him, wouldn't let the other 2 cats in the house sleep on his bed they'd ALL sleep on it, a regular pile of bodies!), and we swapped out Shiloh's dog food in the feeder for cat food, and KB wouldn't let anyone eat out of it. It broke my heart.

About a week before I lost Shiloh, we had adopted two kittens. KB didn't have much use for them, but once Shiloh was gone, KB became their "mama", and started taking care of them. I'm not saying to replace Binxy immediately, but maybe later when everyone can handle it. Lilly will be at a loss, and will look for Binxie, all you can do is provide love and support for her just like you'd do for anyone else. Animals mourn, just like we do, but it's only something that a pet owner will acknowledge. I left Shiloh's things around, his bed and other things, and KB eventually let everyone else use the bed and feeder, but only after he'd decided the two kittens were his.

I'm so sorry to hear of your baby's problem. {{{HUGS}}} to you and yours from me and mine. I know you'll find the strentgh to help Lilly and the Man through this. And you'll all see each other again when the time comes. Take care.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 8:14:36 PM)

Our cats are cold hearted. They never seem to mind when one of them is gone. I've looked for it, and I got nothing.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 8:17:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Another question... and I do hope people dont think Im callous for asking this... we have another cat, Lilly. She and Binxie have been together for 7 years. We are now faced with dealing with her loss too.

Binxie wont come out from under the bed, but she will stick her head out to be petted (which makes me feel better).

Lilly wont go into the bedroom, even though she typically claims the bed as her domain during the day. She goes to the door, looks, but wont go in, then comes back out to climb onto the back of the sofa.

How do you deal with a pet's loss as well?


Why would that be callous? So Binxie is in the bedroom that Lilly has decided not to go into right now? What kind of relationship did they have? Lilly WILL adjust, but it will take some time. Getting her a kitten is a really good idea. You might even want to do it now so she never has a period where she is without a "friend."

It's only been a couple of days. Binxie and her may have had a little kitty "talk" and decided between them that Lilly would give Binxie some alone time.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Cat health question (11/19/2011 8:22:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Tazzy, while the Man may not be ready to face the eventuality, it is gonna happen, no matter what.


He doesnt want her ashes... I think that is a mistake.

I have no idea how much longer she has.

The xray showed her right front leg with a mass near the shoulder.... it looks broken at first glance on the xray, but you can see the mass growing from it.


I don't know him, but different people feel different ways. I loved all my pets dearly. My parents, too. I'm not one of those people who wants ashes sitting on the mantle. I find it kind of creepy. But to each his own.

You *could* (when the time comes) have Binxie individually cremated and keep the ashes in the garage or something so if he ever changes his mind, that opportunity still exists. However, since that time hasn't come, I really wouldn't cross that bridge with him yet. He is still trying to adjust to Binxie being sick. There is time to discuss how to deal with the remains when that situation actually arrives.




Duskypearls -> RE: Cat health question (11/20/2011 12:31:45 AM)

One of the best things you can do (especially your man) is process and integrate your emotions over this, to the best of your ability, as soon as you can. Cats are very sensitive and may pick up on your stress. One cat's trauma/fear will affect the behavior of another cat.

Of the Bach flower essences, you can try some Rescue Remedy (for calming), or Mimulus (for fear), or Walnut (for transition), or all three together, all of which can be obtained from a health food store. It sounds to me like you and your man, and the cats could use these. For you humans, the Aspen might be better, as it is for fear you know of, whereas for the cat, the Mimulus is for an unknown fear. Check out the link I've posted below. Also try feeding or cooking them special treats. Do either of them like catnip? If so, let 'em have at it, regularly. Maybe occasionally distract them with a string pulled back and forth in front of them, encouraging (but not forcing) them to play. Maybe some new toys are in order.

http://www.holisticat.com/fes.html

I would HIGHLY discourage bringing another animal into to the house at this time, as the cats are already showing that their stress levels are off the bloody chart! Introducing a new critter, especially for cats, would likely create greater divide and more havoc. The threat/stress to Binxie, in her compromised state of health/mind, could be devastating. NEVER bring a new animal into an already unstable situation. It's simply begging for a disastrous outcome, and the newcomer will likely come under attack from the others. It's not fair to anyone.

It sounds like Binxie and her fear may have completely filled the bedroom, which is why Lilly may be avoiding it, as it's too stressful for her. If they were close before this trauma, I would suggest rubbing down Binxie with a cloth, and then placing the cloth next to Lilly on the couch, and see whether it brings her comfort or stress. Do the same for the other cat. They may need, and derive, reassurance from each others smell.

Allow them their coping mechanisms, and force NO changes upon them. Let them make the changes themselves, in their own time, according to their own ability.

If I think of anything else I'll let you know.




tazzygirl -> RE: Cat health question (11/20/2011 6:52:05 AM)

Thank you for the cloth suggestion, We are going to try that. Binxie wont come out, except to stick her head out to be scritched. She is purring and her tail is twitching. But she wont come out. I finally got her to drink some milk yesterday, and she finally ate food as well. We had to put the food out beside the bed. The man tried to pull her out... that didnt go over well, she started hissing. Am I right in thinking it has to be her idea.. and she may never get that idea?




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