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Zonie63 -> RE: A question game for agnostics. (11/19/2011 5:33:50 AM)
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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
Zonie63:
Please try to be brief. Really, I just could not read your last answer completely because of lack of time.
Well, you were asking for an explanation, so I'm trying to give one. It may be long, but how else can I make it clear to you?
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I will just pick up some sentences which make no sense, IMHO.
"Those two possibilities exist, independent of the question of whether or not I, personally, have a nose."
By definition, this is wrong, because if Azonier exists, you have no nose. So, they are not independent.
Why do you say that? If Azonier exists, then everyone's perceptions would be altered, so from all indications, I would still have a nose, according to everyone's perceptions. Merely proving the existence of my nose does not disprove the existence of Azonier, as I would consider the questions to be separate, not connected.
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"I can prove that I have a nose, but I can't prove the existence or non-existence of Azonier. "
This is by pure logic, completely wrong. In the moment that you prove that you have a nose, by pure logic (and you agreed with that) you have proven that Azonier does not exist. By the own definition of Azonier. I am bluffed about how can you deny this.
If these sentences are right, then please explain me how. Please be brief.
If they are wrong, please reformulate your answer.
If I prove that I have a nose, I do so without considering the question of the existence of Azonier. This is because if Azonier exists and he took my nose, I would not know it. So given the parameters of your argument, even if I prove that I have a nose, Azonier could still exist, because I wouldn't know the difference.
Instead of asking me to reformulate my answer, it might be better to reformulate the question. Let's just say that when Azonier takes one's nose, he replaces it with a nose with a red A on it.
So, if I see that my nose has a red A on it, then Azonier exists.
If I see no red A on my nose, then Azonier doesn't exist.
How's that? Would that make it better?
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