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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Jeeze Joether, let me guess, you have a life sized poster of Al Gore in your bedroom.
"Lackeys too dumb to think for themselves." Oh sure, you'll get *plenty* of converts to your cause talking about people like that!
No to the first question, although that might be an idea to scare religious people away. The chances that you would honestly be converted over to my way of thinking is equal to the Powerball Jackpot odds to the 19th power....
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
And as for that oil rig, if you remember the news footage it was the U.S. Coast Guard, BP and various volunteers (paid and otherwise) who were cleaning up the oil not the EPA.
What is the EPA going to do about offshore oil spills? They call for volunteers in their offices in D.C. to go down to Alabama, don exposure suits and rent some power boats and go out and "document" it?
How much oil do you think they're going to clean up?
How many people sitting at desks in offices do they have in comparison to "oil shovelers?"
And WHY were those people removing oil from the beach? What event came BEFORE the oil showed up on the beach? Since oil, in the amounts we saw last summer do not occur naturally. And if one had enough ability they would trace it to the source: A busted oil pipeline. Why was the oil pipeline busted, popeye? Oh that's right, ignore the reality of events when making your 'arguement'. The answer is the pipeline was put under pressure well above what it was rated for and bursted. It effectively started a chain reaction of events that brought the whole of the rig in harms way through explosions and fire. The result, was the rig itself fell into the Gulf of Mexico and sank to the bottom.
Now (and follow along, cus this part is CHALLENGING apparently for you) where does the EPA come into all this? A set of regulations were set up years previous to the rig exploding that explained the upper limits those on a rig can operate under. Those controls (i.e. regulations) were removed during the Bush Administration (how did the Bush family make its money, popyeye?). SO....if the EPA's regulations were STILL in place, chances are the rig would never have been placed at risked because the rig operators would know that such careless actions would cause heavy damages to their parent company (of the financial kind). Thus, saving the coast line from many hardships created by the disaster, and saving the goverment hundreds of millions if not a few billion from the clean up. But than, conservatives are know to spend 'high on the hog' of the taxpayer's dime....
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The closest they come to "doing anything" is to hire "outside contractors." So you might have 60,000 people sitting in offices and a contractor with 500 employees actually doing the work! "We don't have that expertise" they say. Well why not? We're paying for those 60,000 or however many people they have sitting in offices don't you think they could designate say 10,000 of them to suit up and go clean up oil spills? Maybe they'd try to hand it off to another agency.
Maybe you should get an education on the exact nature, concept, and REALITY of the EPA instead of making it up as you go. Your numbers are purely bogus, your knowledge base being drawn from is totally laughable, and your ability to hold yourself to the same level of accountibility and responsibility as you slam the EPA of is simply silly. Your attempt to a counter-arguement is a total failure. You didn't even try countering the history/information readily available of China and Russia's enviroments thanks to lax enviromental protections.
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Joether, you (or anyone) should never put yourself in the position of trying to defend a govt. buearocracy.
There's so much sloth, waste, and and duplicity that you'll be on a fool's errand.
The goverment is made up of my fellow Americans (its shocking I know). I know that's difficult for you to handle or think on. You seem to have this totally insane image that the US Goverment is composed of space aliens from Alpha Centauri bent on world domination through the NWO by using ground water to plant mind controlling microbots that will rewire all of our brains to keep us obedient to their eventual takeover. But your on to them! Dude...
....There is ALWAYS going to be waste, sloth and duplicity. It happens in the military and the private sector all the time. I dont see you bashing either of those groups even a billionth as often as you rail against the goverment. Companies routinely have waste in many forms, and simply 'past those costs/expenses' off to the customer ('i.e. 'raid the supplies room during layoffs'). Likewise, one person's defination of 'waste' is anothers 'needed system'. Health Care is an easy example of this. The EPA has its share of waste and such, no doubt about that. But it also does alot of good for the nation. I can understand that you do not think that way, but then, you also think the President was born in another country (which further undermines your chances of being 'rational' in a discussion). And you are unable to accept as a rational adult that there are plenty of Americans that have had bad experiences when companies were allowed freedom to do what ever they pleased towards Americans. I think the movies Erin Brockovich and A Civil Action were based closely on real life events....
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