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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:28:32 AM   
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The purchase price was not disclosed, but analysts estimated it at under $100 million. They said that because Godfather's had not been doing well, Pillsbury would likely report little, if any, gain on the transaction.


http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/20/business/godfather-s-pizza-sold-by-pillsbury.html

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:29:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Real simple Treasure,I am an American,as such the two party system is all I know and all I am really comfortable with.Now in order for that to lead to a healthy vibrant political atmosphere we need two healthy vibrant parties...each tamping down the excesses of the other.
The Republican party,particularly the conservative and religious right wings of the party,are in danger of reducing one of the parties to a status below healthy and vibrant.That is not good for my country,it is not good for our children and it certainly isn't good for the Republican Party.
Irrelevance is just around the corner folks,last Presidential election the Repubs gave us Palin,now they give us Cain ?
WTF, allow him enough time on the stage and we will be stuck with this no nothing the same way we are stuck with Palin's ridiculous commentary on issues she dent begin to understand.
A better question Treasure,one that could be asked of both you and Firm is....why don't you care that a leading candidate for your parties nomination to be President didn't know that China had nuclear capabilities?
China is sort of a big deal here in the new millennium ,post USSR ,age.......no?

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:30:14 AM   
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Hit pieces?

You`re making Cain into a victim?!? LMAO!

Besides the legitimate criticismsof what comes out of his mouth,what are the "hit piece after hit piece" you`re refering to?

And why sudden outrage about anonymous sources?They were correct, after all.

I'm almost always against "anonymous sources" and have said so before.

Here's just one post on the subject. 

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:31:56 AM   
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Can you axplain the figures or give us some plausible reasons why these figures are not damming?

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:32:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cain Performance Numbers, Year-by-year, with footnotes denoting sources...

http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/complete-godfathers-pizza-sales-figure-from-the-herman-cain-years/



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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:33:13 AM   
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The purchase price was not disclosed, but analysts estimated it at under $100 million. They said that because Godfather's had not been doing well, Pillsbury would likely report little, if any, gain on the transaction.


http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/20/business/godfather-s-pizza-sold-by-pillsbury.html

And this does the opposite from support either your last statement, or the OP's contention.

Thanks

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:33:34 AM   
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Hit pieces?

You`re making Cain into a victim?!? LMAO!

Besides the legitimate criticismsof what comes out of his mouth,what are the "hit piece after hit piece" you`re refering to?

And why sudden outrage about anonymous sources?They were correct, after all.

I'm almost always against "anonymous sources" and have said so before.

Here's just one post on the subject. 



Firm


This is why you`re one of the few conservatives who gets my respect here.


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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:33:41 AM   
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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:35:00 AM   
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Look`n bad Firm....

Can you axplain the figures or give us some plausible reasons why these figures are not damming?

I've yet to see anything "damming", Owner.

I have seen some basic ignorance about how business and the economy work, mixed in with an attempt to use that ignorance to slander a candidate, though.

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:35:38 AM   
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Cain Performance Numbers, Year-by-year, with footnotes denoting sources...

http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/complete-godfathers-pizza-sales-figure-from-the-herman-cain-years/



That guy seems more bloggy than fact.

I`d like to see this in a business rag or the WSJ.

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:36:28 AM   
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Look`n bad Firm....


Can you axplain the figures or give us some plausible reasons why these figures are not damming?



Dont hold your breath for that explanation.

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:38:27 AM   
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Look`n bad Firm....

Can you axplain the figures or give us some plausible reasons why these figures are not damming?

I've yet to see anything "damming", Owner.

I have seen some basic ignorance about how business and the economy work, mixed in with an attempt to use that ignorance to slander a candidate, though.

Firm



Well, if you look at the link I posted with the complete numbers, you'll see that while Cain was running things, one year the industry itself grew 10% while Godfather's Pizza dropped 5%....

I think if Cain is so damn proud of his 'success', he'd post audited balance sheets for us to verify his claims.

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:38:58 AM   
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That guy seems more bloggy than fact.

I`d like to see this in a business rag or the WSJ.

That would be helpful, yes.

Firm


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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:40:17 AM   
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Dont hold your breath for that explanation.

I hereby dub thee "Queen of Snark".

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:41:30 AM   
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Cain Performance Numbers, Year-by-year, with footnotes denoting sources...

http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/complete-godfathers-pizza-sales-figure-from-the-herman-cain-years/



That guy seems more bloggy than fact.

I`d like to see this in a business rag or the WSJ.



[1] Restaurants and Institutions 1984 Vol. 94 No. 6 pp. 149-154.

[2] Wall Street Journal, Pillsbury Won’t Sell Pizza Chain Acquired In Diversifoods Pact, August 20, 1985

[3] Godfather’s Back in the Family, Restaurant Business, Ferrell, Kevin, Nov. 1, 1987.

[4] New York Times, The (NY) – Tuesday, Bern, Eric N. September 20, 1988, Eric N. Berg. Godfather’s Pizza Sold By Pillsbury

[5] Above, Pillsbury Won’t Sell

[6] Pizza market in on the move, Jacque Kochak, Restaurant Business v85.(May 20, 1986): pp99(9).

[7] PRNewwire reported that Cain had taken over 817 stores on April 2, 1986. A week later the Omaha World Herald reported the number at 720. PRNewswire, Miami, Burger King Corp. announces appointment of Herman Cain as president of Godfather’s Pizza, April 2, 1986. Omaha World Herald, Steve Jordon, Richard Janda, New ‘Godfather’ Plans Boost in Pizza Market, April 9, 1986.

[8] Pizza Hut Inc. Report, pg. 273, http://uwf.edu/hbettisoutland/Case%20Studies/Pizza%20Hut%20Inc.pdf

[9] Godfather’s Able Pharoah, Nation’s Restaurant News, Sept 14, 1987.

[10] Godfather’s: back in the family. (restaurant chain) (company profile), Farrell, Kevin,Restaurant Business v86.n16 (Nov 1, 1987): pp119(7).

[11] Above, Godfather’s Able Pharoah

[12] What’s New in the Pizza Business: Taking the Business Beyond Tomato Sauce, N.Y. Times, Deutsch, Claudia H., May 22, 1988

[13]Above, Godfather’s: back in the family.

[14] The top 100 Chains, Nation’s Restaurant News 22.n32 (August 8, 1988): ppF48(12).

[15] Wall Street Journal [New York, N.Y] Business Brief: Pillsbury Co., 20 Sep 1988: 1. They estimate the sale price at $40 million, however Fortune, one month later estimated it at $30 million. October 24, 1988, Madden, Stephen, Fortune, Pizza to Go.

[16] Pizza (restaurant market segment), Jacque Kochak, Restaurant Business v89.n8 (May 20, 1990): pp143(8).

[17] Bicycling Through Corporate America, Paul Wolsfeld,http://www.corporatetrivia.com/archive/47.html,

[18] Pizza: market segment report. (includes related article) (Industry Overview),Carol Casper, Restaurant Business v92.n3 (Feb 10, 1993): pp126(7).

[19] Pizza: market segment report. (pizzerias) (Industry Overview), Scarpa, James, Restaurant Business v91.n8 (May 20, 1992): pp145(11).

[20] Data for ’92, ’93, ’94, from Top 100 chains ranked by U.S. systemwide foodservice sales, Nation’s Restaurant News; 8/7/95, Vol. 29 Issue 31, p84, 2p, 1 Chart

[21] Data from ’95, ’96, ’97 from Top 100 chains ranked by U.S. systemwide foodservice sales. Nation’s Restaurant News, 00280518, 06/22/98, Vol. 32, Issue 25

[22] Data from ’98, ’99, 2000 from Nation’s Restaurant News; 7/23/2001, Vol. 35 Issue 30, p51, 13p, 15 Charts

[23] Nation’s Restaurant News; 7/25/2005, Vol. 39 Issue 30, p62-62, 1/2p

[24] Data from 2001, 2002, 2003 from Second 100 Chains, Nation’s Restaurant News; 7/26/2004, Vol. 38 Issue 30, p1-124, 14p

[25] Second 100 Chains, Nation’s Restaurant News; 7/25/2005, Vol. 39 Issue 30, p62-62, 1/2p

[26] Herman Cain: president, National Restaurant Association, Godfather’s Pizza, Omaha, Nebraska, Nation’s Restaurant News, Howard, Theresa, January 1, 1995


Admittedly, there's a lot of "Industry Journals" there, but the WSJ and NYT stuff is right in line with the rest of it...



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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:42:30 AM   
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fargle, sometimes you gotta let them do their own homework.

Example of someone "doing their own homework". 

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:43:28 AM   
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That guy seems more bloggy than fact.

I`d like to see this in a business rag or the WSJ.

That would be helpful, yes.

Firm



The text doesn`t stack up like a political journalist or writer.

It looks more business journalisticy.

Could be trouble for this week`s anti-mittens flavor.


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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 8:56:32 AM   
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A better question Treasure,one that could be asked of both you and Firm is....why don't you care that a leading candidate for your parties nomination to be President didn't know that China had nuclear capabilities?
China is sort of a big deal here in the new millennium ,post USSR ,age.......no?


You know, Mike... the thing is, I could answer your question... but it would be a waste of my time.   I don't honestly think you really care and in the end it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to either of us.  The impression that I get is that you, and others here like you, have no interest in doing anything other than having a argument for entertainment sake. 

Any comment I make would be spun and twisted and derided... any evidence called fake, the source impugned.  In the end, it would make not one whit of difference.  Your posts about Cain tend to show that you aren't willing to do anything other than parrot the most popular mantras of the liberal media and remain close minded.

Should there ever appear to be a poster here who wished to truly explore the differing viewpoints, reasonably debate the issues, and respect the rights of others to hold an alternate position and mindset, I'd be all for opening the discussion.  Otherwise, making the effort really isn't worth my time. 

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 9:12:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well you are of course free to make that determination treasure....I won't lose any sleep over it at all.Of course given that position I am free to deduce that you have no argument,of substance ,to make...hence the impugning of my motives for having asked the question.
Sorry to have bothered you....but I seem to recall you engaged me first.

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RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? - 11/6/2011 10:57:11 AM   
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A better question Treasure,one that could be asked of both you and Firm is....why don't you care that a leading candidate for your parties nomination to be President didn't know that China had nuclear capabilities?
China is sort of a big deal here in the new millennium ,post USSR ,age.......no?


You know, Mike... the thing is, I could answer your question...

If you could you would...you cant so you rant

but it would be a waste of my time.

Clearly

I don't honestly think you really care and in the end it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to either of us.  The impression that I get is that you, and others here like you, have no interest in doing anything other than having a argument for entertainment sake. 

That is because you get your ass spanked purple everytime you post up moronic bs.

Any comment I make would be spun and twisted and derided... any evidence called fake, the source impugned.

We are not allowed to question your opinion and your source?...why do you do it to those you disagree with?

  In the end, it would make not one whit of difference.  Your posts about Cain tend to show that you aren't willing to do anything other than parrot the most popular mantras of the liberal media and remain close minded.

Why are you being so closed minded to examining cain's performance at g/f?

Should there ever appear to be a poster here who wished to truly explore the differing viewpoints, reasonably debate the issues, and respect the rights of others to hold an alternate position and mindset, I'd be all for opening the discussion. 

I have tried to do so with both you and your alter ego on numerous occasions to no avail.

 



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