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slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 11:06:32 AM)
There is no effective argument to be put forth for this failed motivational speaker/ book seller to be a candidate for President.Just as there was never an effective case for Palin to be vice-President.I understand that there is a certain segment of the Republican party that feels government is inherently bad.....but that in and of itself does not excuse asking the mediocre to run it,lest all you are trying t do is confirm that belief.

TreasureKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 11:40:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Well you are of course free to make that determination treasure....I won't lose any sleep over it at all.Of course given that position I am free to deduce that you have no argument,of substance ,to make...hence the impugning of my motives for having asked the question. Yes, yes... I'm familiar with the game; if I choose to not answer your questions, then I must not have the ability. Whatever. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Sorry to have bothered you....but I seem to recall you engaged me first. I asked why you care, you answered. Thank you. But please recognize that responsibility for continuing a dialog rests with yourself as well as anyone with whom you might be conversing. Your answer to my question also included a judgment on myself and Firm (quoted in my response) that led me to believe it just wasn't worth trying to continue. When you stop asking loaded questions, you might find me more willing to engage in a real discussion.

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 11:55:56 AM)
You seem to have that much in common with your flavor of the month.Cain seems to think he gets to decide which questions he will answer.....and which he won't. By the way ,wasn't your original question to me,"why do you care" one of those "loaded" questions ?We all make "judgements" treasure,you were making one yourself when you asked me your question.

TreasureKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 12:06:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u You seem to have that much in common with your flavor of the month.Cain seems to think he gets to decide which questions he will answer.....and which he won't. Well... I guess he and I are both right. [;)] We also both get to bear the responsibility for our decisions, don't we? quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u By the way ,wasn't your original question to me,"why do you care" one of those "loaded" questions ?We all make "judgements" treasure,you were making one yourself when you asked me your question. No... there was no controversial assumption in my question. We all do make judgments; however, it is preferable to judge someone based on what they actually say, rather than what you assume they believe. Edited to add: The original post of yours that prompted my question indicated that a concern over the fate of the conservative movement. I asked why you care about the conservative movement. You gave an answer explaining why it matters to you. Your question to me (and Firm) was why we don't care that a leading candidate for our party didn't know that China had nuclear capabilities. Your first assumption was that we don't care because neither of us has ever addressed the issue, however, the controversial assumption that made your question into a loaded question was that Cain did not know that China had nuclear capabilities. Have you stopped beating your wife?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 12:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Cain took over the fourth largest Pizza company in America with no debt Fourth largest - So? Size doesn't equal profitability. Ask GM or Some of the large banks. Debt - Facts not in evidence. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers and a great promising future and in ten years turned it into the eight largest pizza company in America, one with so much debt Facts not in evidence. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers it could not be sold. Facts not in evidence. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers It is certainly true that he “turned around” the company as he likes to say. Snark, not based only any evidence so far. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Adjusting for inflation in 1985 to 1994 in order to compare 1985 to the last year, 1995, that he was a full time CEO at Godfather’s, 23 the $325 million Godfather’s sold in 1985 equals $448 million in 1995 dollars. Thus the drop was from $448 million to $265.5 million (in 1995 dollars). This is a drop of about 41%. Adjusted for inflation, sales dropped by about 41% in the ten years that Herman Cain ran the company as CEO. Throwing a bunch of figures out that only vaguely relate to the question under discussion, in order to give the appearance of "analysis" without any of the meat of analysis. It's not the amount of sales that is a measure of success of a company, but it's profitability. If they had $1 billion in sales, and no profit, they are not as successful as the company with $20,000 in sales, and $10 profit. In the article that tazzy linked to (from 1988): But the chain fell upon hard times as a result of intense competition within the pizza business and the failure of many of its stores to open in prime locations. When sales growth and profits fell, Pillsbury appointed Mr. Cain as president. ... Since then, Mr. Cain has trimmed the number of Godfather's restaurants by more than 250, settled lawsuits and taken steps to insure consistent quality. But the company continues to suffer from intense competition and from the failure of certain marketing promotions to achieve their desired results. Cain and his management group bought the company in 1990. He turned the company around by continuing to cut unprofitable operations, so of course the gross volume of sales would go down. Any argument that it wasn't profitable when he left it? Didn't they immediately declare bankruptcy when he left? Oh, wait .... never mind. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Godfather’s Pizza was bought for 300 million by Diversifoods Inc. in 1983. Pillsbury Inc. bought most of Diversifoods’ restaurants for about $390 million in 1985. Because Diversifoods sold over 300 Burger Kings and other restaurants to Pillsbury, it is hard to know how much Pillsbury actually paid for the 740 or so Godfather restaurants it bought. It was probably $100-150 million. Three years later, after Cain had been managing the restaurants for 2 1/2 years, they sold it to Cain and twenty other managers for $30-40 million dollars. Cain was sent by Pillsbury to increase the company’s value. He failed miserably. If he had succeeded, Pillsbury would not have sold the company with huge losses. According to tazzy's article, the purchase price by Pillsbury was figured at about 100 million, and "Pillsbury would likely report little, if any, gain on the transaction". Sounds like a wash to me, maybe a little gain. So where does the "analysis" of the bolded, factually inaccurate "If he had succeeded, Pillsbury would not have sold the company with huge losses" statement come from? Oh, that's right ... let's raise a little shit, huh? quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Please ask reporters to question Herman Cain about why he doesn’t release his earnings statements from his Godfather Pizza years. He is asking for our vote for president, but not being honest with us about how well he did managing Godfather’s Pizza. His earning statement (income tax records?) would tell nothing about the success or profitability of Godfather's Pizza during his control of it. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Imagine a baseball player who tells you how great he did and how his terrible team turned around after he joined it, but he refuses to tell you his batting average. One has to suspect that he did not really contribute to the team’s turnaround or if there was a turnaround at all. False analogy in so many ways. But simplistic, and can certainly deceive anyone who doesn't really think about it, or is already just "looking for a reason" to attack the man, no? Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 12:24:41 PM)
Nope treasure....there was never any need to stop beating my wife....now if we can just stop China from developing nuclear capabilities...all will be alright in the world [:D]

Lucylastic -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 12:37:15 PM)
“When there’s a question about whether you’re running for the White House or the Waffle House, you’ve got a real problem with the American people,’’ Huntsman said.

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 12:45:30 PM)
Huntsman,probably the most moderate of the group...and he is polling at about 1%...... so very fucking sad.

Lucylastic -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 1:08:44 PM)
THE WOODLANDS, Texas — Republican presidential contender Herman Cain on Saturday vowed to answer no more questions about decade-old sexual harassment allegations and blamed journalists for the claims that have dogged his campaign. Growing agitated with reporters after a one-on-one debate with rival Newt Gingrich, the former business executive suggested the reporters who asked questions about the allegations were unethical. Asked if he planned to never answer questions about the incidents, he was certain. "You got it," he snapped, even as the allegations leave plenty of doubts about Cain's candidacy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/05/herman-cain-sexual-harassment_n_1078258.html wether the media is wrong or right, it does NOT change the fact that he is expected to respond.Refusing makes him look bad, especially as a leader. Technology and information(news) wont let him ignore it, but neither should it. Are the allegations lies? CHina Has had nuclear weapons for almost 50 years, Uzbeki beki beki stan is important in foreign policy and his ignorance screams trouble. Good business men, rely on being able to cover up their shennanigans, in this day and age, its too intense to have investigations by the media. Lying about it, waffling and flip flopping is JUST what the world neeeds NOT

FirmhandKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 1:32:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Huntsman,probably the most moderate of the group...and he is polling at about 1%...... so very fucking sad. sigh I know mike. I feel the same way when the Democrats refuse to nominate a Republican. But what can we do? [;)] Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 1:37:52 PM)
Lol,too funny Firm....but allow me to be clear, I have no issue...let me repeat this...no issue at all with Republicans nominating a Republican....but I get real pissed when they nominate ( or as in the case of Palin name a running mate)an idiot. So let me be clear....I am against idiots polluting our political process.Where do you stand on that issue.....seems to me you don't mind them all that much(see your man crush on Cain...and if I recall right you think Palin is the cats meow)?

thompsonx -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 2:34:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Huntsman,probably the most moderate of the group...and he is polling at about 1%...... so very fucking sad. sigh I know mike. I feel the same way when the Democrats refuse to nominate a Republican. But what can we do? [;)] Firm Clinton wasn't a republican...who knew?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 4:16:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Lol,too funny Firm....but allow me to be clear, I have no issue...let me repeat this...no issue at all with Republicans nominating a Republican....but I get real pissed when they nominate ( or as in the case of Palin name a running mate)an idiot. So let me be clear....I am against idiots polluting our political process.Where do you stand on that issue.....seems to me you don't mind them all that much(see your man crush on Cain...and if I recall right you think Palin is the cats meow)? mike, Any Democrat that has been nominated and ran for President since Clinton has been an idiot, in my book. Did you see me crying about it? I have said what I like about him, and one of the primary facts is that he isn't a plastic politician. Which is what you seem to want. I'll take the displays of humanity and feet of clay along with my lack of plasticity, thanks. I don't think my politicians are demi-gods. Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 4:19:53 PM)
You are right,they aren't Demi-gods......ther are fucking idiots[:-] One of them is worried about China developing nuclear weapons,another one was busy watching Russia from her porch...still another was sure the Founding Fathers eradicated slavery( working tirelessly to do so) shall I continue ?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 4:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u You are right,they aren't Demi-gods......ther are fucking idiots[:-] One of them is worried about China developing nuclear weapons,another one was busy watching Russia from her porch...still another was sure the Founding Fathers eradicated slavery( working tirelessly to do so) shall I continue ? Maybe we should search all 57 states for smarter people? Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 4:32:15 PM)
Is that all you got Firm ? My god but that is pathetic [:-]

thompsonx -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 4:37:59 PM)
quote: Any Democrat that has been nominated and ran for President since Clinton has been an idiot, in my book. Kerry and bush's yale gpa do not lend credit to your opinion.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 4:42:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Is that all you got Firm ? My god but that is pathetic [:-] Mike, I was making a point, not trying to catalog every stupid thing that a particular politician may have said. I doubt I have enough time and I know I don't have the desire, but here's a few more for ya, since you asked ... "The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010 "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009 "The Cambridge police acted stupidly." —commenting on a white police officer's arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home in Cambridge, Mass., at a news conference, July 22, 2009 "The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009 "It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009 "No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize) "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip) "I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008 "Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008 "Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008 "Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008 "How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong." "Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers (Watch video clip) "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip) "Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society." "Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference "You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people You want examples from Biden? For gawd's sake, say no ... I want to get some sleep tonight ... [8\|] Firm

thompsonx -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 5:13:27 PM)
quote: "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009 You were aware that fedex and ups do not deliver first class mail for .44cents? So comparing the two is not a simple task. For you to suggest that the president was is disingenuous at best.

slvemike4u -> RE: Herman Cain...businessman ? (11/6/2011 6:18:20 PM)
No Firm,I'll skip that.nice collection of malaprop and verbal slip ups you have cobbled together.....tell me something,has any of that indicated to you,for a moment that this President is a blathering idiot? 'Cause I have to tell you this buddy,the three I referenced are certifiable dingbats .

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