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tazzygirl -> Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 7:50:51 PM)

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Mississippi voters shot down a referendum Tuesday that would have effectively banned abortions in the state, rejecting an initiative that said life begins at conception.
The so-called personhood initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters. If it had passed, it was virtually assured of drawing legal challenges because it conflicts with the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a legal right to abortion. Supporters of the initiative wanted to provoke a lawsuit to challenge the landmark ruling.

http://news.yahoo.com/miss-defeats-life-conception-ballot-initiative-033539854.html




Real0ne -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 8:26:42 PM)

the problem of course is that the state has no authority to grant a legal right to abortion in the first place.

That case "should" have been over the right to medical services.

But hey never pass up a good opportunity for gubafia to pry into the personal affairs and control of the people.






Hillwilliam -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 8:38:02 PM)

Im glad that common sense prevailed. This could potentially have made common BC pills illegal.



SternSkipper -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 8:43:36 PM)

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the problem of course is


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Real0ne -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 9:03:35 PM)

what kind of shit?  lol



Lucylastic -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 9:12:47 PM)

A significant loss for the funny mentalists



TheHeretic -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/8/2011 9:30:16 PM)

Cool. The courts would have killed the law, but it's nice to see it die at the ballot box instead.



tazzygirl -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 4:10:14 AM)

In this case, I agree. Its a more powerful message when the voters decide.



slut4prodomme -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 4:39:53 AM)

The real issue is that these insane measures can get on the ballot in the first place. Then the populace is bombarded with countless 30 second propaganda blasts, funded by deep pocket, far right christo-fascists, and after 6 weeks of that, even things that are obviously designed to truly keep women barefoot and pregnant.....if they don't DIE in the process, that is, some folks always seem to say "well, I guess its ok, I suppose I will vote for it." The real problem is, that right now 30% of the country is truly mentally ill. They believe that Dinosaurs cavorted with cavemen 6,000 years ago.  They do not believe in Global warming, women's rights, still think Saddam was responsible for 9/11, on and on and on. When you have 30% of the population that believes Jesus is going to teleport them out of their SUV's to sit on a cloud and chant til eternity, ANYTHING is possible. So ballot measures, like the one that came out of the christo-fascist HQ of Colorado Springs not only get on the ballot, but are supported by a significant measure of the population. I believe the only true answer is to revoke the voting rights of those who are not of sound mind, you know, folks that believe in talking snakes and invisible friend's that tell them to attack countries, run for president, buy a lottery ticket.... but that's another story:)



tazzygirl -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 4:45:13 AM)

I believe the fact that they can get on a ballot box speaks well for the country. Let me explain.

Its a great way to test the changing belief of the society we live in. It also sends a pointed message to local, state and federal governments. We have state, district, appeals and the Supreme Court to watch over the legality of these laws.

Votes like this one shows the desire of "we the people"



DarkSteven -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 4:50:15 AM)

I agree, tazzy.  The law should be in the hands of the people.

So, if Mississippi wouldn't pass it, who would?  Utah and Idaho might be more amenable, but I can't think of any other states.



farglebargle -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 5:07:17 AM)

Don't forget South Dakota...



Winterapple -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 5:13:06 AM)

I didn't expect it to pass but I was happy
to see it squashed handily at the ballot box.
Even people who are against abortion don't
want to give up birth control in most cases.
The law could also have effected fertility treatments
and prevented doctors giving birth control
pills for medical issues not related to
preventing pregnancy.

As far as where the so called personhood
movement might try next. I agree Utah
and Idaho are likely. Utah is according to
some report or study the most conservative
state and South Carolina and Alabama are
more conservative than Mississippi.
But I really can't see it being voted in
anywhere.



DarkSteven -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 6:04:46 AM)

Here's a hysterical view of the proposed law, under The Patter of Tiny Personhoods:

"we will insist on taking custody of any extra embryos that result from IVF—it is our right as parents after all. Once safely in our home we plan to keep them in a freezer in our basement and list them as child dependents for tax purposes, thus giving us a tax deduction. To protect the lives of our children in case of a power outage we will buy a backup generator. Anything less would be bad parenting."

http://www.economist.com/node/21536537



thishereboi -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 7:44:40 AM)

Good for Mississippi, it's nice when the people get to speak their minds[:)]



Marc2b -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 7:48:24 AM)

quote:

Here's a hysterical view of the proposed law, under The Patter of Tiny Personhoods:

"we will insist on taking custody of any extra embryos that result from IVF—it is our right as parents after all. Once safely in our home we plan to keep them in a freezer in our basement and list them as child dependents for tax purposes, thus giving us a tax deduction. To protect the lives of our children in case of a power outage we will buy a backup generator. Anything less would be bad parenting."

http://www.economist.com/node/21536537


Oh for Christ's (irony noted) fucking sake!

Oh well, at least a majority showed some common sense and foresight.



kalikshama -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 8:16:40 AM)

I wouldn't call it hysterical, but using satire to point out potential implications of the law.

http://www.economist.com/node/21531503

Then there are unexpected issues. Would embryos be counted as people for the purposes of a census? Could a pregnant woman be charged with child abuse if she smokes, or be denied chemotherapy if it might hurt the fetus? From Mississippi’s tiny unborn people come strange legal questions.



Fightdirecto -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 3:16:05 PM)

Actually, being an good entrepreneurial American capitalist, I was doing preliminary research into setting up a birth control pill smuggling operation into Mississippi if the “Personhood” amendment passed.

Damn Mississippi voters – ruining my “get rich quick” scheme… [:(]



tweakabelle -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 7:21:09 PM)

How nice to see across the spectrum joy at the defeat of this silly idea!

Anyone who questions why those of us without religion take an interest in the antics of believers might remember this issue. When people choose to force their Bible-induced fantasies on the rest of society, they make religion a political issue. Sadly their interventions on issues such as reproductive freedoms and abortions make opposing their antics a must for any one with a desire to see society make sensible decisions and adopt sensible policies based on the evidence - not on the dubious dictates of redundant texts written thousands of years ago.

It's perfectly OK to choose to live your life according to the dictates of such texts - it's definitely not OK to develop public policy or law solely on the basis of such texts or to demand that others 'respect' such texts. Without faith, these texts amount to little more than fairy tales. Faith, whatever its other merits or demerits, is not an adequate or equitable basis for public policy, law or social discourse. The 'rewards' of faith are collectible in the next life, not this one. So could believers please have the decency to wait until the promised rewards are due for delivery?



tazzygirl -> RE: Mississippi voters defeat abortion ban (11/9/2011 7:36:42 PM)

Whoa whoa... many who believe are for this bill... and just as many who believe are against it. In THIS instance, I dont believe religion had anything to do with the outcome.



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