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Another One Bites the Dust? - Italy reaches the magic n... - 11/9/2011 7:13:43 AM   
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Italy managed top get the interest rate on their bonds over the 7% number in the last 12 hours, 7.40% to be exact, which most the wonks think is an unsustainable interest rate.

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Italy's key borrowing rate spiked well above the 7 percent level that eventually forced other eurozone countries like Greece and Portugal to seek bailouts, surging to a high of 7.40 percent, up 0.82 of a percentage point from the previous day.


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With debts of around euro1.9 trillion ($2.6 trillion), Italy is considered too big for Europe to bail out. Higher borrowing rates will make it more difficult and expensive for Italy to roll over its debts. It has over euro300 billion ($412 billion) to raise in 2012 alone.


Markets punish Italy to make sure Berlusconi goes

The ECB has been buying the Italian bonds up hoping to stem the flow, but the Germans are not happy with this, as it is in large part German money being used -

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Germany's "wise men" panel of economic advisers warned the European Central Bank it risks losing credibility by buying the bonds of heavily-indebted euro zone states, and that monetary and fiscal policy are becoming worryingly blurred.

The group, which advises the German government, said in a report published on Wednesday: "The bond buying program dismantles market discipline without establishing any political discipline in its place."

In blurring monetary and fiscal policy, the report said, "the ECB is jeopardizing its credibility, because it is falling under the suspicion of monetizing sovereign indebtedness."

Germany strongly objects to the bond-buying strategy but the ECB's new president Mario Draghi has signaled the bank is ready to carry on buying bonds of troubled euro zone governments.


German "wise men" warn ECB is risking credibility

If the ECB cannot do the deed, the only one left is the IMF.

So who is the next domino in the EU? It is starting to look ugly for the Frogs.

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RE: Another One Bites the Dust? - Italy reaches the mag... - 11/9/2011 8:09:01 AM   
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I doubt the Euro, as we know it, will last the month

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RE: Another One Bites the Dust? - Italy reaches the mag... - 11/9/2011 11:08:21 AM   
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You don't know that: the Chinese might buy it out yet.

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RE: Another One Bites the Dust? - Italy reaches the mag... - 11/9/2011 12:21:09 PM   
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You don't know that: the Chinese might buy it out yet.


All the economists I've heard talk about the Chinese  see Europe as adversarial to Chinese interests.
   Course they probably saw us that way before GHW Bush sold us the fuck out to them.


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RE: Another One Bites the Dust? - Italy reaches the mag... - 11/9/2011 3:00:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I doubt the Euro, as we know it, will last the month



Thank you. You'll be here all week, I'm sure.






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RE: Another One Bites the Dust? - Italy reaches the mag... - 11/9/2011 3:15:52 PM   
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Everybody sees other countries as adversarial to their interests.


China was allowing the renmimbi (yuan) to float to market rates, gradually, then the US financial sector imploded (though actually, it was the San Jose fire dept.'s fault), and they had the central bank put the brakes on that one.

Then the central government was allowing it to float to market again, but more slowly. Then the US Congress starts it's yapping about taking action against China for keeping the yuan "artificially" low, please ignore QE IV.

Ain't we got fun.









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