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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/26/2006 11:45:07 PM   
Calandra


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ORIGINAL: candystripper
This post was excellent Ma'am.  Though i might add, i did enjoy hearing about the Keyholder; what a great idea.
 
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I wonder how many people appoint a keyholder anymore? I hear about it less and less, either by that term or something else, the concept (like so many from the older days) seems to be getting lost... 

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/26/2006 11:49:51 PM   
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"Not all collars are equal. They simply do not mean the same thing universally to each and everyone in this lifestyle, nor do they perform the same function."
 
What you mean like accepting people for who they are and letting them define themselves instead of the 'community' defining them.
 
Concept has been around for millieneums. Welcome back Jesus.
 
Hey I'm all for it. Good luck on implementation.
 
D (owner of j).
 
 

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/26/2006 11:56:16 PM   
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shivvy - There are so many new ones out there (I consider a newbie to be anyone under 2-3 years, since the volume of information on these boards is so confusing sometimes it takes time to sort through it all - much less decide what fits you)
 
I know some people think I love the sound of my own voice, or seeing my name in print, but I truly read these boards as if "I" were new... what would need clarification? What posts are confusing? How can I clear up any confusion if I enter the conversation? etc.
 
Thank you again, comments like yours helps me not to get discouraged...

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 12:01:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
There is a detailed description of the three collars used in House Iron Bear in my profile. For those who would join us it as all there for them to read.... 


You know, I love the organization and the structure of Gor... I wish I could accept the psychology and cultural ideology of Natural selection everyone keeps talking about.
 
I wanted to take the opportunity to thank You for the many supportive and positive posts I've seen from you on CM... I read your posts with interest and I'm usually impressed with your position even times when I don't agree... I look forward to getting to know you better...

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 12:03:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648
"Not all collars are equal. They simply do not mean the same thing universally to each and everyone in this lifestyle, nor do they perform the same function."
 
What you mean like accepting people for who they are and letting them define themselves instead of the 'community' defining them.
 
Concept has been around for millieneums. Welcome back Jesus.
 
Hey I'm all for it. Good luck on implementation.
 
D (owner of j). 


Thank you - I think... ~shrugs~

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 12:16:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
There is a detailed description of the three collars used in House Iron Bear in my profile. For those who would join us it as all there for them to read.... 




quote:

You know, I love the organization and the structure of Gor... I wish I could accept the psychology and cultural ideology of Natural selection everyone keeps talking about.

 
I wanted to take the opportunity to thank You for the many supportive and positive posts I've seen from you on CM... I read your posts with interest and I'm usually impressed with your position even times when I don't agree... I look forward to getting to know you better...

Calandra


*Sigh* More competition for IronBear, lamo.  ~wiggles butt at Him again~
 
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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 12:37:04 AM   
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In addressing the what is Under Consideration and how does it work....
I have a bit of experience with this as I have met several people from online and have had a few of them that I wanted to take to different levels and so they were under Me. Consideration is a time period that allows a submissive to basically strut thier stuff. They have earned this spot because the Dominant generally feels they would like to take the relationship out of a friendship stage and into something more. It gives the Dominant the right to control and to give tasks, however it doesnt give complete control. This period of time is basically like a vanilla courtship or a "show me you're interested and what you can do for me" phase, with the known intention that a collaring would be the next step, IF and ONLY IF the submissive meets the requirements set forth by the Prospective Dominant. In an even more broken down state its basically a trial period to see how compatable a Dominant is with a submissive or slave. It gives them the needed time as D/ss to so to speak feel eachother out. This does in my experience help keep the so names velcro collars down to a bare minimum as we can never really be sure what will come of any relationship and sometimes years after a collaring the relationship fails, but its always being thrown back as that person velcro collared someone else.


This is a snipped post of mine from another thread..... the bold things are cause I had to do a search for it cause I knew I posted about it but couldnt remember where and now I cant get rid of the bold thingies *shrugs*
 
but you had asked if anyone knew what it was and so I hope that helped....
 
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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 12:40:58 AM   
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Competition??? OMG no way... I can admire someone without wanting them... ~laffin~
 
Trust me, I love to learn about people, how they work, how they don't work... and when someone seems level headed, regardless of whether life is giving him roses or lemons, I admire that...
 
Years ago the "nobility" educated themselves, but kept the peasant class ignorant. In this day and age, I enjoy that we can get together, free of charge and exchange great, useful and intelligent views side by side in the midst of those who seek determined to remain ignorant... The insightful and wise ones seem to shine in comparison... I want to learn from those ones, and share my knowledge in a way that emulates them at the same time... ~sheepish smile~ I'm rambling again ain't I???

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 12:47:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul
This is a snipped post of mine from another thread..... the bold things are cause I had to do a search for it cause I knew I posted about it but couldnt remember where and now I cant get rid of the bold thingies *shrugs*
 
but you had asked if anyone knew what it was and so I hope that helped....
 ~RS~


Thank you so much for that reply... I think that "Consideration" and what I term "training collar" are very similar in function (at least as "I" use them). You aren't "casually dating" anymore, you're investigating the deeper details of how the relationship would serve to fulfill both of your needs...
 
I think it's interesting that You also feel that a collar of consideration or training collar does not label someone as "velcro" collar if it dosen't progress on to a formal one... I get so tired of seeing people label each other in hurtful ways with terms like "velcro" or "wannabee" etc etc... (but thats an entirely different rant...)

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 1:06:30 AM   
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I hate seeing that happen to people as far as collars go.... but yes I did note a similarity between the training and consideration views. I look at it like this.... I would rather spend 8 months with someone under consideration and getting to know who they are and so on, than to slap a formal ownership collar on them and then find out 2-3 months down the road that either they just arent a good fit for me or they were new and their desires have changed.... much easier to allow a free escape for both parties involved so that feelings dont get smashed if the situation doesnt work out.
 
Some times even with the best of intentions things just dont work out like we hope for and this way you and the other person involved can " save face" and not have to worry about getting labeled because things just dont work out. In the meantime though you are letting the other person know you care and want to be there for them and are wanting to step up the relationship and allowing time for a build up to a full time or a part time Owner / ownee situation... I've also found this reduces the amount of confusion of are we together arent we together.... and gives the submissives a chance to settle into their place with a Dominant before being Owned by that Dominant.

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 1:08:30 AM   
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Competition??? OMG no way... I can admire someone without wanting them... ~laffin~

 
Trust me, I love to learn about people, how they work, how they don't work... and when someone seems level headed, regardless of whether life is giving him roses or lemons, I admire that...
 
Years ago the "nobility" educated themselves, but kept the peasant class ignorant. In this day and age, I enjoy that we can get together, free of charge and exchange great, useful and intelligent views side by side in the midst of those who seek determined to remain ignorant... The insightful and wise ones seem to shine in comparison... I want to learn from those ones, and share my knowledge in a way that emulates them at the same time... ~sheepish smile~ I'm rambling again ain't I???

Calandra


Alright Calandra, but i'm keeping a fish eye on You.  i want IronBear alll to myself.  <O wait, i adore Lady Neets..hummm....what to do?  what to do?>
 
So many Hotties, so little time...lmao.
 
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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 1:11:57 AM   
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* shoves a big ice block over to candystripper* you might wat ta sit on that.... * chuckles * I love reading your posts.... quite a few of them end up just making me crack up laughin.... thanks *smiles*

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 1:27:02 AM   
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Don't you (like me) also have the feeling that Your formal collar is priceless and should be earned and valued??? If you were to slap a formal collar on someone too quickly, what value would it mean, as opposed to if you'd taken time to make sure you both would honor that collar for all it's potentially worth?
 
In 17 years of living this lifestyle, only two people have ever worn my formal collar. I'm not in a hurry, because quality people take time to reveal themselves...

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 1:44:16 AM   
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yep I do... in 9 years theres only been one and he returned his collar to me.... it still sits in my room on my night table.... It'll never be worn again but it is a constant reminder to me of how things should be. I was lucky to have found him when I did and we were together for almost 2 years, sadly enough though with family issues and things that neither of us could have forseen he and I split because he was needed elsewhere more than he was needed with me..... that was rough but he's where he needs to be at this point in his life and thats whats important. We still talk sometimes, not so often anymore because for a while it was just too damn hard to hear eachothers voices, but in a way he'll always belong to me and I'll forever be with him..... not like some romeo thing just he'll always have a place if he ever comes back home.... I was taught that a collar is a symbol of something thats eternal, a ring that encompasses two lives bringing them together as one. Now I dont have some psycho stalker thing going on or an obsession..... I just know that no matter where life may take him or I... there will always be a "home" for both of us, should situations ever change....
 
Would I ever collar someone again.... who knows, I'm not completely put off by the idea, but he raised the bar pretty high and thats going to be hard and is going to take someone really special to reach....

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 2:19:30 AM   
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Substitute the word marriage for collar, and get real.

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 2:26:08 AM   
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Wow, someone remind me never to say something you disagree with....
 
~shrugs and returns to the topic at hand~

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 5:03:32 AM   
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...and then of course you have weird folks like me who only recognize one collar.....either I'm collared or I'm not. Gosh that just makes it so much easier for me.

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 5:13:03 AM   
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I've had this debate for decades and it really can become trying and cause terminal boredom, but, I recently had a gal inform Me that she had accepted an "Imaginary" collar from an on-line domme and could no longer talk with Me. My Jockey shorts almost had a smelly brown deposit when, I broke into laughter at the word Imaginary collar.
  A couple years back, I won (?) a velcro collar at a local munch, the collar is rainbow colored, has small battery powered blinking lights around it and a velcro closure. I would almost donate the collar to the young mistress for future usage on her cyber slaves, but, I'm thinking that that might be to much of a progression from imaginary to velcro collars. lol
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There is a detailed description of the three collars used in House Iron Bear in my profile. For those who would join us it as all there for them to read.... 

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 5:23:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing


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ORIGINAL: Calandra

I also didn't discuss the "house collar" since I don't know enough (even second hand) to attempt to explain it... I'd love to understand what function the house collar performs...



We've used a House collar throughout our lifestyle experience. We're a poly household, with multiple dominants, multiple servants, and several rings of interaction that our household operates within. Because of this, it is -very- important that our training and long-term servants understand that they will not be owned by one person, but by all of the free members of our household. This is a -very- challenging concept for some, especially when the individuals were either inexperienced and unaware of what a relationship with a household like ours might mean, or where the individuals in question came begging a collar with the intention of eventually belonging -privately- to one of the free of our household.

We don't give private collars. Everything within our household is shared property, including the servants. We use a House collar so that it is completely clear that a servant serves the whole of the House, and cannot expect to belong to any one individual.

For our long-time servants, there is a level of House collar at which he or she becomes a full member of our family. This, too, is a House collar, but what this collar represents is that point at which an individual moves from being an associate and friend, to the point at which that person is truly one of us, entitled to speak, vote and participate in the most intimate knowledge and decisions of our family.

Zephyr WindDancer Bladewing
As usual, LZ and us are pretty much on the same page here. We are a two Dominant (Dom/me) household and a collar from us is a house collar. We made this decision prior to us deciding poly was our ultimate destination as it didn't make sense for us to have individually collared sub/slaves since we have a poly household and consider it a family.

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RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) - 5/27/2006 5:29:49 AM   
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Great post. Thanks for thinking of us newbs.

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