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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 5:38:06 PM

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Romney states at the end of the day,once all sanctions have been exhausted he would go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear capability.

Haven't you seen how fucking twitchy PeePants gets under the slightest pressure? At the end of the day he'd nuke the Osmonds if he thought they were making fun of them.
Newt? He just wants to pull the trigger on someone.... just cause he already has the speeches already written from last time he ran and thought he might win.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 5:45:14 PM

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That's what we have to worry about right now. I'm thinking he won't do anything.

And you would base that on what? His ordering the killing of Bin Laden? Or his ordering the elimination of the Awlaki threat? Or perhaps the fact that he toppled Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar Gaddafi without a boot on the ground.
I'm having a little trouble based on HIS ACTUAL RECORD figuring out just what the fuck leads you to that conclusion. Maybe I didn't translate your statement from fencepost correctly.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 6:36:36 PM

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Why is the military intervention the only option being discussed here? One would be forgiven for thinking it's the only policy response available. It's not.

There is another solution to the issue of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons - all the States in the area can agree to create a nuclear weapon free zone in the region. Of course that would entail Israel (currently the only nuclear armed State in the region) giving up its nuclear arsenal. Is this the reason why this solution isn't being considered or advanced? And, if that rather cynical view is in fact the case, won't this be a case of a needless (probably futile and almost certainly disastrous) military intervention to get the Israelis off a hook of their own making? Should someone be whispering this in the ears of the GOP candidates? It appears they are unaware of any other option other than military intervention.

The option of a nuclear weapons free Middle East is a step towards peace that everyone can support. It's a far better solution than military intervention. It's peaceful permanent and has the pleasant side effect of giving all the nations and Govts in that troubled region something they can easily agree upon (if they're genuinely interested in peace).

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 6:57:45 PM

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When I heard the debate about Iran (on the overnight news), I couldn't believe my ears. Just how do they plan to whack Iran's program? Iran learned a lot by watching other "pre-emptive" actions in the region; their program is way, way underground in hardened bunkers. Why in the hell are we so worried about them when we're stirring up a nice hornet's nest over in nuclear-equipped Pakistan?

You don't suppose that it's because once they get a nuke, we won't invade, eh? You know, like we invaded China, Russia, and North Korea.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:04:32 PM

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Why is the military intervention the only option being discussed here? One would be forgiven for thinking it's the only policy response available. It's not.

There is another solution to the issue of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons - all the States in the area can agree to create a nuclear weapon free zone in the region. Of course that would entail Israel (currently the only nuclear armed State in the region) giving up its nuclear arsenal. Is this the reason why this solution isn't being considered or advanced? And, if that rather cynical view is in fact the case, won't this be a case of a needless (probably futile and almost certainly disastrous) military intervention to get the Israelis off a hook of their own making? Should someone be whispering this in the ears of the GOP candidates? It appears they are unaware of any other option other than military intervention.

The option of a nuclear weapons free Middle East is a step towards peace that everyone can support. It's a far better solution than military intervention. It's peaceful permanent and has the pleasant side effect of giving all the nations and Govts in that troubled region something they can easily agree upon (if they're genuinely interested in peace).

ER, Pakistan and India kinda rule that out. I cna't picture India givng them up until China and Pakistan do. And Pakistan won't give them up as long as India has them.

And the Chinese won't give them up until the USAsians do.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:05:56 PM

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Romney states at the end of the day,once all sanctions have been exhausted he would go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear capability.
Gingrich states he would use covert actions up to and including "removing Iranian scientists( re: assassinations ) he than amazingly stated these actions would retain complete deniability( after telling all of us about it...lol)
Of course Ron Paul took the contrary stance.....he wouldn't go to war and reiterated that war making powers resides with Congress not the President as per the Constitution.

Why is it that the only one that doesn't sound crazy(Huntsman) never gets any questions?

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:08:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Romney states at the end of the day,once all sanctions have been exhausted he would go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear capability.
Gingrich states he would use covert actions up to and including "removing Iranian scientists( re: assassinations ) he than amazingly stated these actions would retain complete deniability( after telling all of us about it...lol)
Of course Ron Paul took the contrary stance.....he wouldn't go to war and reiterated that war making powers resides with Congress not the President as per the Constitution.

Why is it that the only one that doesn't sound crazy(Huntsman) never gets any questions?

No flash.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:11:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Why is the military intervention the only option being discussed here? One would be forgiven for thinking it's the only policy response available. It's not.

There is another solution to the issue of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons - all the States in the area can agree to create a nuclear weapon free zone in the region. Of course that would entail Israel (currently the only nuclear armed State in the region) giving up its nuclear arsenal. Is this the reason why this solution isn't being considered or advanced? And, if that rather cynical view is in fact the case, won't this be a case of a needless (probably futile and almost certainly disastrous) military intervention to get the Israelis off a hook of their own making? Should someone be whispering this in the ears of the GOP candidates? It appears they are unaware of any other option other than military intervention.

The option of a nuclear weapons free Middle East is a step towards peace that everyone can support. It's a far better solution than military intervention. It's peaceful permanent and has the pleasant side effect of giving all the nations and Govts in that troubled region something they can easily agree upon (if they're genuinely interested in peace).

Tweak, the problem is that Obama has taken away the Republicans security blanket which is to call Democrats weak on everything military and infer they are commies. He's bent them over on that issue since he pretty much stayed the course on iraq and afghanistan, killed bin laden and there have been no successful attempts on us since he was elected........So, they are left with the only thing they possibly can do which is go even farther to the crazy side and say they will invade Iran. Everyone knows that it is stupid and crazy...and in all honesty none of them believe it. They are just frustrated they have no where to go with Obama on military issues.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:14:14 PM

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Romney states at the end of the day,once all sanctions have been exhausted he would go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear capability.
Gingrich states he would use covert actions up to and including "removing Iranian scientists( re: assassinations ) he than amazingly stated these actions would retain complete deniability( after telling all of us about it...lol)
Of course Ron Paul took the contrary stance.....he wouldn't go to war and reiterated that war making powers resides with Congress not the President as per the Constitution.

Why is it that the only one that doesn't sound crazy(Huntsman) never gets any questions?

No flash.

Perry has flash?

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:21:34 PM

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Perry has flash?

He does if you a corn fed Anglo. He executes people and goes after those pesky illegals, while singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran."

Like a dog whistle, just because you can't hear the music, doesn't mean the dogs cannot.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:27:54 PM

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Well after listening to the Republican candidates pontificate on foreign policy tonight I can't disagree with his "things will get worse" scenario.

Agreed .... Mr K's analysis is dead on.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:32:12 PM

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Why is the military intervention the only option being discussed here? One would be forgiven for thinking it's the only policy response available. It's not.

Ummmm Tweak ....I am pointing out a certain pattern of error in another poster's addle headed remarks in one post and the UTTER folly of electing two others in the other post.
How about you tell me which of these you differ with? Bearing in mind of course. I wasn't presenting ANYTHING as a possible solution.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:36:43 PM

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Why is it that the only one that doesn't sound crazy(Huntsman) never gets any questions?

Probably cause he doesn't sound crazy and that doesn't play well in GOP circles.
Just a quick guess.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:42:43 PM

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Come on DYB,Perry is,if nothing else,entertaining....you just don't get better political theater than watching him stumble and bumble wracking his brain for that elusive third Federal agency

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:47:36 PM

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Come on DYB,Perry is,if nothing else,entertaining....you just don't get better political theater than watching him stumble and bumble wracking his brain for that elusive third Federal agency

Perry's kinda harmless at this point... between the dead air debate and his OUI at the podium. The dude is basically like some kind of soy filler to make the Iowa ballot look fatter.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 7:50:39 PM

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you just don't get better political theater than watching him stumble and bumble wracking his brain for that elusive third Federal agency

If these clowns were smart in moments like that they'd pull out "DEA" and apologize quietly to their base later calling it a mistake... Every head in the country would be on this "No Man, I heard it myself, dude's gonna get rid of the DEA... Fuck Paul, I know who I'm votin' for"

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 8:20:15 PM

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The dude is basically like some kind of soy filler to make the Iowa ballot look fatter.

I loooove this!!

Perry's charm offensive seems to be humanizing him and make him more likable. I don't think he has a chance.

And I love Cain yuckin' it up over whether or not Anita Hill would endorse him!

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 10:15:17 PM

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He does if you a corn fed Anglo.

Could you define this please?

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 10:35:48 PM

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He does if you a corn fed Anglo.

Could you define this please?

A picture has to be worth a thousand words -

Sure looks like he is eating corn.

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RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran - 11/13/2011 10:41:10 PM

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Dont ask me FQ....ask those guys,lol

You mean you actually understood that?

Can you translate for me?

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