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JstAnotherSub -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 4:48:33 PM)
I absolutely believe there are spirits among us. I have seen and felt things that no other explanation works for. I can't wait to read others thoughts on this!

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 4:49:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep i believe in them. i also believe that we are so small in the larger scheme of things, it doesn't make much sense for us to try to say we totally understand everything going on around us. it's like a semi-colon in a Word document trying to understand how the whole computer works. at one time we believed the earth was the center of everything. now we believe our universe may not be solitary. i've learned throughout my life that there is something beyond physical life, and there are things that may exist around us that we can't see and only perceive subconsciously. who knows what they are; maybe one day we will find out. So true Lilly.

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 4:53:41 PM)
quote: Why wouldn't I, it's what I believe. Sure it is. [8\|]

windchymes -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 5:09:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub I absolutely believe there are spirits among us. I have seen and felt things that no other explanation works for. I can't wait to read others thoughts on this! I'm a big skeptic about stuff like this, but after my dad died, I know it was him. I felt it physically, strongly, and there was absolutely no reason for the plant that was from his funeral to fall off the table and onto the floor. It was near the edge, but fully on the table, I was alone in the room, no wind, no earthquake, no vibrations, nothing moved, but out of the blue, that plant fell to the floor, and then I felt strong hot/cold goosebumps run up my back, up over my head, and out my shoulders, just the way he used to come up behind me and hug me when he was living. Those were no fucking hallucinations. I wasn't even thinking about him at the time, I was blathering away on the computer, and suddenly, the plant fell onto the floor. Until there is scientific proof that ghosts, spirits, energy forces, whatever you want to call them, do not exist, I will believe....and know.....that they exist.

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 5:11:06 PM)
quote: Those were no fucking hallucinations. That's exactly what they were.

windchymes -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 5:12:20 PM)
Prove it, and I will believe you.

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 5:18:27 PM)
Prove they weren't. Perhaps you should learn what a hallucination is.

barelynangel -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 5:32:34 PM)
Yes, ghosts, spirits, etc exist. I have yet to find anyone who can disprove their existence as a whole concept. angel

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:04:23 PM)
No, ghosts, spirits, etc do not exist. I have yet to find anyone who can prove their existence as a whole concept.

barelynangel -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:10:26 PM)
Actually, people have proven their existence, they have seen them, heard them etc, which means as a whole concept they DO actually exist. People here have indicated they exist or haven't you been listening? Unless of course you are so full of yourself that you actually think you know what people have seen and heard, without actually experiencing it yourself. lol do you really think i didn't know someone would post what you did after what i posted? I was really hoping someone wouldn't be that silly, but there is one in every bunch. You aren't as smart as you think you are. angel

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:15:58 PM)
quote: Actually, people have proven their existence, they have seen them, heard them etc, which means as a whole concept they DO actually exist. Actually no, nobody has ever proven that they exist. Hearing and seeing things does not prove anything other than that you think you saw and heard them. People see and hear all sorts of things that don't exist all the time, just ask David Berkowitz. You obviously aren't as smart as you think you are.

monark -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:19:35 PM)
In order to even discuss the existence of ghosts, spirits, numinous beings, etc., you first need to create a fully applicable definition. That seems simple, but if you try, you'll find it next to impossible. What is a ghost? M

Awareness -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: You just feel that people who believe in ghosts have insufficient evidence upon which to base such a belief. Not true, its not that I feel they have insufficient evidence, its more that people who believe in ghosts are simply wrong. Similarly, it's true that women who don't realise their role in life is to serve men are simply wrong - no matter what stories they might make up to bring themselves comfort.

barelynangel -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:23:13 PM)
Actually i am as smart as i know i am because see Arpig what you don't get is this, until YOU actually see and hear and know what it is others have felt, seen and hear, you can't disprove it wasn't exactly what people say it was. But please tell me how exactly you can disprove what anyone here has felt or saw or heard from ghosts and spirits? angel

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:42:56 PM)
quote: what you don't get is this, until YOU actually see and hear and know what it is others have felt, seen and hear, you can't disprove it wasn't exactly what people say it was. I have seen and heard many things, I am intimately acquainted with the phenomenon. quote: But please tell me how exactly you can disprove what anyone here has felt or saw or heard from ghosts and spirits? Please tell me how exactly you can prove what anyone here has felt or saw or heard is from ghosts and spirits, and not just their own mind playing tricks on them? As I pointed out Berkowitz was quite certain that the dog really was talking to him.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:45:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Actually, people have proven their existence, they have seen them, heard them etc, which means as a whole concept they DO actually exist. Actually no, nobody has ever proven that they exist. Hearing and seeing things does not prove anything other than that you think you saw and heard them. People see and hear all sorts of things that don't exist all the time, just ask David Berkowitz. You obviously aren't as smart as you think you are. So when more than one person, in fact a whole room full of people, all see and hear the same thing they are having a group hallucination? If that's your explanation then I want some samples of what's in the bottles in your medicine cabinet.

barelynangel -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 6:48:54 PM)
Arpig, you aren't getting it. I can't prove OR disprove what others have experienced. I for one am not arrogant enough to tell someone they didn't see, hear, or feel what they did when it comes to this concept. You it seems are. What i am saying is they don't NEED to prove it, the very fact they experienced it, identified it means it is something for YOU to disprove. Until you do that, then you can't USE the absolute of they do not exist. As long as there are people out there experiencing what they are identifying as ghosts and spirits, and you or others do not disprove it in every instance-- then there is no absolute of they do not exist. It's pure and simple logic of when an absolute can be applied. As long as there is ONE person claiming they have seen, heard, felt ghosts or spirits through their experience then the absoluteness of they do exist can be applied. angel

Arpig -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 7:02:27 PM)
quote: I for one am not arrogant enough to tell someone they didn't see, hear, or feel what they did when it comes to this concept. You it seems are. You also aren't literate enough to understand what has been posted. I have never disputed what people say they see, hear, or feel. If you can't be bothered actually reading what people post, why do you even bother commenting? Do you have a humiliation fetish? quote: Until you do that, then you can't USE the absolute of they do not exist. Of course I can, just as others can use the absolute in asserting that they do exist. quote: As long as there is ONE person claiming they have seen, heard, felt ghosts or spirits through their experience then the absoluteness of they do exist can be applied. http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ That should take care of that particularly idiotic assertion.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 7:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: just because we don't know doesn't mean they aren't there. [8\|] quote: but saying "no" outright to something that you can't possibly know seems very closed-minded to me. Well saying "yes" to things that there you can't possibly know and for which there is no evidence seems very gullible to me. Probably because you don't quite grasp the meaning of the word "belief." Unless of course it comes from the girls you are hoping will rescue you from your mispent youth. Belief isn't scientific. Comfort, faith also not scientific. Also not tangible. Science has many paranormal things and miracles they are unable to explain. Will they explain it completely one day? Maybe. But last I checked, "believing" in something was a choice, a personal decision. Some high school drop out popping in to spout that SHE knows the truth? Please, ignorance really is bliss since y'all are so happy with it.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Do ghosts exist? (11/13/2011 7:07:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 http://news.yahoo.com/einsteins-laws-prove-ghosts-exist-144407090.html Now this is an interesting article. Somehow I've always thought that the "afterlife" was more rooted in science than religion. Einstein was right about energy neither being created nor destroyed. Einstein didn't say anything about ghosts....and anyone presuming such....is a moron.

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