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What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 8:08:20 PM

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Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party: United In Distrust by NPR Staff October 22, 2011 Members of Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party may disagree on many issues, but there's one thing that unites both groups: distrust in concentrated power.

"One can't help but feel that there's a huge system out there between politicians, between corporate interests, that really prevents the average Joe from being able to air out his concerns," says Charles Zhu, an Occupy Wall Street supporter who was in Washington, D.C., this week to join protests in McPherson Square.

At both Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party protests, you might hear similar opinions on the 2008 bank bailout, the federal deficit and government spending, and the influence of corporations and money on Congress. Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig says there's good reason to this visceral sense by both the left and the right that there is too much power in too few hands — whether it's the government or corporations.

"We have a government where members spend between 30 and 70 percent of their time raising money to get back to Congress, [and a Congress] that is increasingly dependent on the funders," Lessig told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz. He says that the funders are in fact, not the people.
"Anyone who knows anything about campaigns knows it's the people who contribute the maximum in a campaign that have the real power in Washington," says Lessig, whose new book, Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress — and a Plan to Stop It, is about the concentration of money and power in politics.

Those who can contribute the maximum amount to campaigns represent about .05 percent of the population, Lessig says. So he says forget "We are the 99 percent," the Occupy Wall Street movement represents something more.Read More.....

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 8:19:32 PM

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How long ago was I saying that OWS and TEA had a lot more in common than either would admit?

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 8:27:01 PM

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How long ago was I saying that OWS and TEA had a lot more in common than either would admit?

Oh, there are commonalities... no doubt. But we are far from being indentured to an established political party.
But yeah, there are similar desires and if the message gets heard by borderline Tea Partiers, they're in trouble. If those folks were smart they'd jump ship now to maximize the bang for their buck.

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 9:07:27 PM

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How long ago was I saying that OWS and TEA had a lot more in common than either would admit?

Come on. Really?

The teabaggers and OWS only share their distrust of government, but they are coming from two entirely different positions.

OWS believes that corporate power should be limited while the teabaggers believe that government is the problem and corporations should have free reign.

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 9:28:20 PM

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ome on. Really?

The teabaggers and OWS only share their distrust of government, but they are coming from two entirely different positions.

OWS believes that corporate power should be limited while the teabaggers believe that government is the problem and corporations should have free reign.

I think there are a handful of commonalities... like we object to similar things.... We see as the solution ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. In fact, I am convinced that the Tea Party doesn't actually have one. They think they're experimenting with smaller govt. But so far each time they've gotten their way, it's completely vaporlocked congress and resulted in a downgrade and the threat of a second one.
With that said, our solution may feel more like a radical mastectomy to get things right because we're REALLY after the Fed and things like public funding on campaigns, and kicking corporate lobbyists the fuck out of Washington. And this is JUST A FEW of the key differences. My meaning in responding to William was to agree that we sort of sound alike in various ways.

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 9:48:49 PM

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How long ago was I saying that OWS and TEA had a lot more in common than either would admit?

Come on. Really?

The teabaggers and OWS only share their distrust of government, but they are coming from two entirely different positions.

OWS believes that corporate power should be limited while the teabaggers believe that government is the problem and corporations should have free reign.

In the early days before TEA was coopted by the far right of the Republican party, they were independents who were sick of the 'bought and paid for' lawmakers.

Sound familiar?

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 10:12:29 PM

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In the early days before TEA was coopted by the far right of the Republican party, they were independents who were sick of the 'bought and paid for' lawmakers.
Sound familiar?

Actually, I was present, more or less to check things out for the first two real rallies (in mass... some claim there were earlier ones... don't know... The tea box down on the channel was the 2nd I ever saw or heard of)... They were already co-opted. I saw guys that were very well known Mass Republican "made guys".
But they may have sounded a like us... But they really weren't up close. And they were pumped in from WAY out of town BY CHARTERED BUS for the famous tea ritual.

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 10:20:25 PM

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And then of course, there seems to be ever so slight a difference in the way each group is accommodated by the local authorities....

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RE: What's Up With The Tea Party Feeling So Fucked With? - 11/13/2011 10:27:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

How long ago was I saying that OWS and TEA had a lot more in common than either would admit?

Come on. Really?

The teabaggers and OWS only share their distrust of government, but they are coming from two entirely different positions.

OWS believes that corporate power should be limited while the teabaggers believe that government is the problem and corporations should have free reign.

In the early days before TEA was coopted by the far right of the Republican party, they were independents who were sick of the 'bought and paid for' lawmakers.

Sound familiar?

Not really.

The only thing I remember is Dick Armey and other prominent conservatives being behind it from the start.

I don't ever remember it being a grassroots movement.

They poured money into it to make it appear that way but it was always just a way for wealthy conservatives to advance their agenda.

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