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MadAxeman -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:07:30 PM)

If you have three titties, you're wasted on the phonelines.



Rule -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:07:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: outlier
The bailiff's behavior reminds me of an old joke about a hotel
detective being called to an old biddy's room to listen to her
complaint.

The old woman points to a man in a window across the way
and says, "See him!  I am offended that he is walking around
naked!  Go arrest him or at least make him close his curtain
in his room. 

The detective says, "Madam, you can only see him from the
waist up."  How can you be offended or even know he is naked?"

She points and says vehemently, "Stand up on the bed!  Just stand
up on the bed!"  

Something similar actually happened to one of my friends.



LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:08:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

[sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]  Very well said. (Be ready for the flak you take for having me agree with you.)

As a caveat to the murders and rapists BS. I think any mother who'd willingly place her child in such close quarters with those individuals needs to have CPS take the child away. As you pointed out, in standard municipal courts, murders and rapists aren't just "roaming the halls." And if a mother finds herself surrounded by murderers and rapists, chances are she's "in" for a lot more than a traffic ticket or a family court case and shouldn't have her child anyway.



I take so much flak here for being vocal, I don't really pay attention to the usually argumentative idiots who post just for the sake of taking a stance against me.

Actually, criminal cases like that don't take place in municipal court and neither do Family Law cases. Typically, they also aren't in the same area of the court house either. Where I am, and places I have lived in the past, criminal court and family court are either on different floors of the court house, or the hearings are held on different days.



LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:10:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SweetCheri

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Be ready for the flak you take for having me agree with you.
Nobody actually cares what you say or who you agree with, you are an irrelevancy among irrelevancies.


Of course, this statement would be why you and your gang tend to get laughed at by real people with actual knowledge.

When all you can do is resort to insults, it is obvious that you haven't got much experience or a valid point to make in the discussion.



xxblushesxx -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:10:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadAxeman

If you have three titties, you're wasted on the phonelines.


I've had three children. [8|]



LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:13:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Murderers and rapists roam the halls all the time, you aren't naive enough to think they are all in jail, are you?



C'mon, you know that isn't true at all. If they haven't been convicted yet, they aren't "technically" murderers or rapists (yet), only alleged. If they have been indicted, then they had to make bail. If they haven't, they are kept in a separate area guarded by Sheriff's/Corrections Officers. If the made bail, they are with their attorney and not exactly wandering the court with a sign saying why they are there.



agirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:15:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

It. Does. Not. Offend. I've breastfed three children. Three. I think that at least gives me some credibility in what can be done to mitigate the need to breast feed in the middle of a court case.
And Heather? Please show me where my posts were "ridiculous, insulting, impassioned"  I felt that my views were as reasonable and well-articulated as anyone else's.


My post was about those that are. It was a FR deliberately.

I will probably always find it difficult to understand why breastfeeding ever causes a problem....Possibly that's a culteral thing, in the UK it's like blowing your nose. Really of no note.

agirl







LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:22:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

I breastfed my daughter in the park, on the bus and in many public places. This was 26 years ago. I discretely covered her and myself up with a blanket and she ate to her hearts content. I have no problem with anyone breastfeeding their children in public. It is a normal, natural thing. Sure show a little decorum about yourself and put a lite blanket over you and your child but those of you that are offended...get over yourselves.


So did you breast feed your child in church?

Your choice (and like it or not, breastfeeding IS a choice) to breastfeed your child DOES NOT supercede someone else's right in public places.

By the way, some people breast feed their children way into and past toddlerhood. If she was breast feeding a five year old, would you have the same opinion?

Explain to me why people who don't want to see it need to get over themselves? Being nude is also quite natural, yet, no one seems to dispute that one shouldn't be nude anywhere they want.

The idea that being a mother who breast feeds her child somehow supercedes someone else's right to not be subjected to it is ridiculous. Being a mother is not some great achievment, nearly any female can do it.

Yes, I have a child (grown now). I was a single mother to boot, whose family had all perished or did not live nearby during my son's childhood, so I know all about childcare issues.

Just because you have a child doesn't give you (or me) the right to force other people to accept whatever you want to do. Typically the same people who are so "I will breastfeed where ever and when ever I choose," are the same people who will take a condescending attitude towards those who don't breastfeed, with complete disregard as to the possibilities that breastfeeding may have not been an option for them.




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:22:33 PM)

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I will probably always find it difficult to understand why breastfeeding ever causes a problem....Possibly that's a culteral thing, in the UK it's like blowing your nose. Really of no note.


As I suspect is the case pretty much anywhere but here. Making a fuss about breastfeeding in public seems to be a North American thing and frankly I will never understand it.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:26:07 PM)

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Think what you want, I really don't care.
Oh yay! The poo lady gave me permission to think for myself! Free at last, free at last! Thank God almighty, free at last!



Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:27:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Being nude is also quite natural, yet, no one seems to dispute that one shouldn't be nude anywhere they want.



No one disputes that?
What kind of dreamworld are you living in?
There are plenty of people who dispute that all the time.
It's protested on a regular basis by means of civil disobedience protests, that regularly get protesters arrested.

To claim that nobody disputes that point is ludicrous.



TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:30:31 PM)

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Being nude is also quite natural, yet, no one seems to dispute that one shouldn't be nude anywhere they want.


Unlike breastfeeding, being nude in public is against the law so no comparison.



searching4mysir -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:31:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady



So did you breast feed your child in church?




There is a woman at my church who nurses her daughter during Mass. No one seems to even notice or care.

Quite frankly if someone is getting perturbed by a nursing mother at church, then their focus is in the wrong place. Shouldn't they be paying attention to the service?



LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:32:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetCheri

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Can you name one place where that is where a woman "must" breastfeed?
Wherever she is when her child is hungry.


Actually, no you can't and haven't answered the question. There is NO time that a mother must drop everything the second her child is hungry to feed her child, so there is no "MUST" involved. What if she is in a traffic jam? Should she stop her car and start breast feeding? Of course not. This isn't to say that she might not want to pull over to the shoulder and take care of her child, but the majority of mothers are going to gauge how long they think they will be in the traffic jam, and very likely will choose to wait.

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Or is it that she has chosen to do so?
As is her legal right.


It is your legal right to be a lesbian and your legal right to have sex. Should I have to watch you having sex on a park bench? For the record, I don't care to see ANYONE regardless of sexual preference having sex on a park bench, before you attempt (foolishly) to make an issue of that.

A "legal right" (which given that you are not in this country, so have little understanding of that term here) does not mean it can be done any where, any time.

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So would you brush your hair in court?
Yes, why not?
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Did you read the article?
Yes, but that is irrelevant, you asked general questions
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Was she sitting at the plaintiff or defense table? Did she have an attorney?
Do you know what occurs in a US courtroom?
All completely irrelevant to the questions you asked or the questions I asked.


Actually, your lack of understanding is obvious here. The question, specifically, was is it inappropriate to breast feed, and by implication, engage in certain behaviors in a court room.

Again, not answering.

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So when is a parent responsible for teaching the child about "social conventions?"
That process would start sometime after it is an infant.

Now, perhaps, though it is unlikely, you will now be so kind as to answer my question.
Why does breastfeeding upset you so much that you go on a three page rant against it?



Again, this was specifically about breastfeeding in a court room. Breast feeding doesn't upset me, and it is something I have seen in many public places. On a bench in the mall, in the "lounge" area of a ladies room, at the park, even in a parking lot.

But again, you failed to answer my question.

The reality is that while one can have "ideals" as to how they believe they will raise a child, until they have one, they really have no concept, only those ideals.

Obviously, you have not been taught about proper social conventions yourself, so it is doubtful you would ever teach such to any child you might have. Then again, if you should ever have a child, your "ideals" might take a complete turn in a different direction.

For the record, it is not 3 pages of me talking.



LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:37:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SuzeQ

A few serious points first. (Well, OK, they could only be considered anything but a joke in the context of this thread.)

What exactly is it about a PUBLIC courtroom that makes it more sacrosanct than a cathedral? Nothing.
If it is only the venue she is upset about, then why all the questions about other places; stores, bathrooms, etc.? Because the courtroom is only an excuse to complain about public breastfeeding.
Why can she not answer any of the questions put to her? Because doing so would expose the vacuousness of her position.
Why am I answering my own questions? Because the OP won't.


Oh please. Are you really that ignorant or argumentative? I've clearly answered your pal's questions. It is neither my fault nor problem if her (and you) fail to grasp those answers.

The other venues were brought up specifically because of posts that seem to believe that there is NO improper place to breast feed.

For the record, I don't think you should be doing it in the middle of a church service either.




Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:37:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

So did you breast feed your child in church?



You realize that for hundreds and even thousands of years, women have been breast feeding their children in church, right?
A hundred years ago women in this country would breast feed their children in church.
In many countries all over the world, women this very day still breast feed their children in church.

The idea that God would want a woman to let her baby starve for hours so that she can properly worship him will be considered nothing short of insane by most believers.

Why exactly do you seem to think that something women have done since the BEGINNING of churches is somehow disrespectful all of a sudden? You're the only person I've ever met who seems to think that babies and nursing mothers should be excluded from places of worship.



Lucylastic -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:38:46 PM)

Ala. Code § 21-1-13 (2006) allows a mother to breastfeed her child in any public or private location.



Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:39:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

It is your legal right to be a lesbian and your legal right to have sex. Should I have to watch you having sex on a park bench? For the record, I don't care to see ANYONE regardless of sexual preference having sex on a park bench, before you attempt (foolishly) to make an issue of that.



Having sex is legal.
Having sex in public is not legal.
Breastfeeding in public is legal.

So how exactly does a legal act compare to an illegal one, just because the legal one CAN be illegal in certain circumstances?



LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:40:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

When you get a subpoena to go to court, you go.  I doubt a court is going to reschedule a trial in which the mother is a witness because her baby is sick.  Nor does the witness have any control over when her testimony is scheduled, or how long the proceeding goes.  You go, and deal with it as best you can, or you risk not going and getting found in contempt.  Rock and a hard place, indeed.
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

But there are ways to mitigate that as I discussed above. And honestly, if your baby has an earache, don't take him/her out anywhere, he's already miserable enough as it is. Re-schedule.



But especially as a witness with child care issues, it isn't far fetched to speak to the party you are testifying for and find out if you can sit outside with your child so you can comfort them, considering they are sick.

For that matter, she would have had to have spoken with that party and their attorney prior to the calendar call. So here, the attorney had a major fail by not taking care of this issue.

While I get you are pro breast feed and want courts to do more for parents with child care issues, you KNOW that your points here are full of holes. I really believe you are a much better attorney than that.



Rule -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 2:40:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
Your choice (and like it or not, breastfeeding IS a choice) to breastfeed your child DOES NOT super-cede someone else's right in public places.

What right?

Hey, instead of ranting against something natural and inoffensive, you might instead rant about cars murdering millions of people every year, cars disturbing the peace with their noises, light pollution of the skies at night, people being shot in public places, and the loud music produced by noise trolls who disturb and stress out their neighbors. Or you could go to and make rich a shrink to remove your quaint and improper objections and obsessions against public breast-feeding.



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