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Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 3:08:00 PM

hussainishahid

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First off, ignore my profile, It's a combination of a link dump and a very odd joke.

This was the profile I was using for a while, but I'm not really using it anymore. I got an offer (from a doctor!) out of it, but none of my friends or family members approved, so I turned him down.

http://www.collarme.com/personals/v/1300356/details.htm

Now, to my situation. I love administrative assisting. I also love accounting. I'm gay, but Muslim, which means I'm celibate. I'm currently working towards certifications in both accounting and administrative assisting, with plans to pursue (finish) an Associate's degree in greenhouse management once I can afford to take that chance. I've seen too many of my friends leave school with Bachelor's degrees, debt, and then go to work in coffee shops.

Is the sex industry in need of administrative assistance? While I was in the military, a good friend of mine introduced me to a group of women who I now know were prostitutes. They told me they had different jobs, of course, washing machine repairwoman, nanny, maid, cook. All lies, but I was 19 at the time, so I believed them. I didn't mind driving them to their appointments, and I loved having four "big sisters" to hang out with all the time. They were my closest friends, and even though our friendship may have influenced my commander's decision to cut me loose in the end, I have no regrets.

One thing that struck me though, was when I found out how much money they made. It was over ten times what I made, yearly. To be honest, I can't even imagine making that much, nor would I ever want to. But I do love prostitutes, and even though my mother might disapprove, I'd like to once again throw my hat into that ring, as I feel I am uniquely qualified for the industry.

Does my dream sound feasible? Should I take courses in defensive driving and executive security? What are your thoughts?

My other dream is to be a backup dancer in videos like this:

http://youtu.be/1BuEKsDXVlc

Someday...

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 3:31:32 PM

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I'm not sure what you're asking: if being a Pro service sub is feasible? or if a Pro will hire you as an admin assistant?

About working FOR prostitutes, honey, just because they make a certain amount of money doesn't mean your services to them would be worth more than your services to an average person. It's unrealistic to imagine that working for a rich prostitute means you get paid more than you might from driving a little old lady around town for example. What they make is irrelevant to the value of your services to them.

A personals site is the wrong place to look for a job, though. Go on your local craigslist and offer yourself as a driver/bodyguard/admin assistant for escorts. Be nice and polite but show yourself to be reliable, especially in a crisis situation. Good luck.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 4:23:28 PM

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I'm mostly trying to figure out if the demand is there.

I would expect most of my money to be made in accounting fees, or (heh) an actual job. My cost (and standards) of living have historically been very low, and I don't see them going up any time soon. I wouldn't be above pursuing a more "traditional" housekeeper/admin assistant type position for a small business owner who simply paid me with room and board. Security of employment and camaraderie are what I'm after. In the past, the ladies I worked for were very family oriented in their business practices, and they treated their employees accordingly.

In other news, a person actually tried to hire me for a "live in" type situation on here. He (supposedly) paid well, but was way too vague about what he actually wanted for me to consider. Most of the ladies on Backpage (escort craigslist) already seem to have managers, but I'll certainly look there.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 4:46:37 PM

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Um. The technical term for a manager of hookers is a pimp. Ain't legal. Assuming that Alecta is correct and being an accountant for a hooker pays no more than being an accountant for an aerospace company, what's the draw in working for an illegal industry?

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 5:13:02 PM

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I'm not a huge fan of the "P" word, it implies that the ladies work for you, which should never be the case. The draw is that I like the industry. I've been a part of it since I was a teenager, and I feel very comfortable in it. The vast majority of the people I've worked with in the industry have been highly focused, principled, and usually quite religious as well.

Like I said, it's a very family oriented community, and for someone like me, that means a lot. You don't get those kinds of people in Aerospace.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 7:04:25 PM

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Yes, but DS had a point. It's hard to build up any job security, seniority, etc, in an illegal job field. What about insurance, or raises? You're giving up a lot of potentially valuable things for the community aspect and taking on a lot of potential drawbacks. To me the risk assessment and bottom line payoff doesn't logically work in favor of you pursuing this type of a market but I'm not you.

If it were me I'd take on a job with better future potential and work at trying to fill my family type community needs elsewhere. I grew up very poor and clawed my way out of that, I tend to be very pragmatic about looking out for myself financially - you may feel differently.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 7:24:29 PM

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Go to the "other work" section in the forums of stripperweb.com and ask there. You should get more realistic answers from people who actually do the type of work you want to help with.

ETA: Realistic may not have been the best choice of words. What I meant was, if you want a job in the medical industry, talk to doctors and nurses, in the movie business, talk to people associated with that. I couldn't tell you much about what an escort/prostitute needs or does not need, but I do know someone was talking about needing a helper in those forums just a day or two ago.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 7:28:21 PM

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Are you insinuating that Dommes are prostitutes and would have the answers to the questions you are asking? Not sure why you are posting your question here.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 7:48:53 PM

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Thank you all for your suggestions and advice, I will definitely take them into consideration.

I came here because I had no real idea who to ask, as all of my former employers are happily married, or happily retired. I certainly didn't mean to offend. Thank you xxblushesxx for the link, I will take my questions there.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 7:55:40 PM

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If the cops bust your women, you'll be forced to testify against them. I couldn't handle that.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 8:29:05 PM

hussainishahid

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Well nobody would want that to happen, but it's something to consider. As a bookkeeper I would be putting myself in that position. At any rate, I still have a couple semesters to talk myself out of this.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/17/2011 10:53:15 PM

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I know that when I was a pro dominant, I would have happily paid for a reliable secretary, and so would my studio partner. Someone to screen calls, deal with emails and apps, that sort of thing. You never know.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 1:51:09 AM

Alecta

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

If the cops bust your women, you'll be forced to testify against them. I couldn't handle that.

If I'm understanding the OP correctly he means he wants to work FOR them taking care of their business admin needs and such and not as a pimp. To my experience (because I can't speak from legal knowledge, only life experience of myself and acquaintances), he is probably the only one in that circle of employment who is not legally liable should the cops come to shut down his employers. He'll just be out of a job.

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ORIGINAL: hussainishahid
The vast majority of the people I've worked with in the industry have been highly focused, principled, and usually quite religious as well.
Like I said, it's a very family oriented community, and for someone like me, that means a lot. You don't get those kinds of people in Aerospace.

Actually, that's a naive assumption. The vast majority of the people who survive in the industry are cut-throat, calculative cunts. You cannot survive in that line of work otherwise otherwise. The second majority are druggies, it being the most stable job for a druggie (although they don't usually get their acts together enough to hire drivers, housekeepers, etc). You have been lucky, meeting the nice kinds of people you've met, but do not for one second assume that is true of all those in the profession all across the board.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 8:18:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alecta

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

If the cops bust your women, you'll be forced to testify against them. I couldn't handle that.

If I'm understanding the OP correctly he means he wants to work FOR them taking care of their business admin needs and such and not as a pimp. To my experience (because I can't speak from legal knowledge, only life experience of myself and acquaintances), he is probably the only one in that circle of employment who is not legally liable should the cops come to shut down his employers. He'll just be out of a job.

That would be incorrect if he was working directly for them (and possibly even just some random accountant who did a prostitute's taxes). Taking a position in a business that is illegal and knowing it, isn't immune from prosecution, let alone being a witness.

Think about it...He would know who calls, the names of the clients, the money coming in....all the nitty gritty details that helped in busting the Mayflower Madam and Heidi Fleiss.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 8:19:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I know that when I was a pro dominant, I would have happily paid for a reliable secretary, and so would my studio partner. Someone to screen calls, deal with emails and apps, that sort of thing. You never know.

I was actually thinking that some of the ones who cam might need people to help with the websites and such.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 8:34:21 AM

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I'm going to disagree respectfully with Alecta

Larger businesses have more concerns about who handles their accounting needs than smaller businesses- the volumes are bigger, and so are the number of people sniffing around trying to steal from them. Consequently, someone who comes with references or at least a resume that shows that he's been trustworthy when in a similar position, is worth more than someone with similar skills, but un vetted.

The economics of benefits offered by employers isn't that hard to calculate- figure it's between a quarter and a third more than what they're paying you. Hence, a job at $25K with benefits is still not as good as a job at $50K with no benefits. When moving up the corporate ladder-the larger the former paycheck- the better the offer- except of course, when you price yourself out of a job. Money in the bank these days, also speaks pretty highly to an employer.

In terms of looking for employment and worrying about being asked to testify- you are not required to be a cop when you apply for a job. If your employer tells you what they do is legal, that's sufficient- at least in theory. In practice, if there's a bust, you may need your own lawyer, but the likelihood of those busts are quite small.

Other options for looking- check escort services or houses of domination. Those businesses may be swamped with people looking for titillation rather than work, and your resume should hold you in good stead. I'm guessing here- but it's worth a shot.

Good luck,

Sam

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 11:44:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: samboct

In terms of looking for employment and worrying about being asked to testify- you are not required to be a cop when you apply for a job. If your employer tells you what they do is legal, that's sufficient- at least in theory. In practice, if there's a bust, you may need your own lawyer, but the likelihood of those busts are quite small.

That would only apply to legitimate businesses. Prostitution and Domination houses would raise a question of legality for any reasonable person and therefore, an employer saying they are legal is not sufficient. Granted, an escort business could claim to be legal/legit, but once working there, the employee would most definately be subject to questioning, so the idea of having your own lawyer is a good one. The liklihood of those busts isnt' as small as you think. It is more a matter of them not always being publicized (probably due to the client lists).

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 12:53:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alecta

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

If the cops bust your women, you'll be forced to testify against them. I couldn't handle that.

If I'm understanding the OP correctly he means he wants to work FOR them taking care of their business admin needs and such and not as a pimp. To my experience (because I can't speak from legal knowledge, only life experience of myself and acquaintances), he is probably the only one in that circle of employment who is not legally liable should the cops come to shut down his employers. He'll just be out of a job.

That would be incorrect if he was working directly for them (and possibly even just some random accountant who did a prostitute's taxes). Taking a position in a business that is illegal and knowing it, isn't immune from prosecution, let alone being a witness.

Think about it...He would know who calls, the names of the clients, the money coming in....all the nitty gritty details that helped in busting the Mayflower Madam and Heidi Fleiss.

I speak from the experiences of a few friends and myself doing similar work as what he is describing for independent escorts. As long as you are not present (and therefore considered taking part) in the actual prostitution, you're just being paid to clean their house or answer the phone (which for all you know is a by-appointment designer or flower delivery service, dating agency or maybe she's just a busy person who meets lots of people). Unless you are dealing with BUSINESS accounting (in which case doesn't that argue for prostitution being legal in that area?), and don't shoot your mouth off, you're no more liable than the walk-in accountant in the mall. They MIGHT pull you in for questioning but they can't charge you unless you solicit for the ladies.

Not accounting for prostitutes connected to drugs and gangs, of course, but those people aren't good to work for to begin with.

ETA: this of course requires you to be able to throw them under the bus when they get busted and cut and bolt, of course.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 1:07:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: samboct

I'm going to disagree respectfully with Alecta

Larger businesses have more concerns about who handles their accounting needs than smaller businesses- the volumes are bigger, and so are the number of people sniffing around trying to steal from them. Consequently, someone who comes with references or at least a resume that shows that he's been trustworthy when in a similar position, is worth more than someone with similar skills, but un vetted.

The economics of benefits offered by employers isn't that hard to calculate- figure it's between a quarter and a third more than what they're paying you. Hence, a job at $25K with benefits is still not as good as a job at $50K with no benefits. When moving up the corporate ladder-the larger the former paycheck- the better the offer- except of course, when you price yourself out of a job. Money in the bank these days, also speaks pretty highly to an employer.

You're considering this for "larger organisations", but I was talking about independent operators as opposed to cat houses. The consideration is the same whether I'm a prostitute or an independent investment broker, I want someone reliable, discreet and capable. Therefore there is no motivation for the prostitute to offer more money than the independent broker. There is no motivation for the prostitute to offer you more money than the old lady down the road to bring in their groceries, assuming the little old lady and the prostitute have the same income. Although 9 times out of 10, the prostitute tries to pay you "in trade" rather than cash so from that perspective, the little old lady with means pays better. You can also put her on a resume for jobs outside of the sex industry.

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RE: Working in the Sex Industry - 11/18/2011 1:34:59 PM

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Alecta

Flip it around. You're a little old lady down the street, you've got a big applicant pool and lots of suitable candidates. You're an escort and you want someone who isn't going to hit on you (assuming this is a consideration and I suspect for a lot of folks in that profession, it is.) who's reliable, and not likely to steal from you with the self serving justification of- well, what you're doing is illegal anyways....the job applicant pool is orders of magnitude smaller- hence, job seekers can command a higher wage.

I've had no direct contact with prostitutes/escorts, and little enough with exotic dancers- but i did go to a hearing where the merits of a strip club were being debated. It was pretty clear that the women working there did it for the money and often the hours which allowed them to take care of their kids-but that they had very little respect for their customers. Unfortunately, the townspeople had even less respect for them. These women were as close to sex workers as I've had occasion to talk to- and what struck me was that men who didn't look at them as a piece of meat were a lot easier for them to take. Hence, the OP might actually be desirable- and therefore can command a better wage.

Sam

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