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LafayetteLady -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 4:58:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alecta I speak from the experiences of a few friends and myself doing similar work as what he is describing for independent escorts. As long as you are not present (and therefore considered taking part) in the actual prostitution, you're just being paid to clean their house or answer the phone (which for all you know is a by-appointment designer or flower delivery service, dating agency or maybe she's just a busy person who meets lots of people). Unless you are dealing with BUSINESS accounting (in which case doesn't that argue for prostitution being legal in that area?), and don't shoot your mouth off, you're no more liable than the walk-in accountant in the mall. They MIGHT pull you in for questioning but they can't charge you unless you solicit for the ladies. Not accounting for prostitutes connected to drugs and gangs, of course, but those people aren't good to work for to begin with. ETA: this of course requires you to be able to throw them under the bus when they get busted and cut and bolt, of course. First, he is talking of doing this on a larger scale than just cleaning someone's house was my impression. Second, uh....Wasn't legal in NY when the Mayflower Madam was busted, nor in California when Heidi Fleiss was busted. The accountant wouldn't be busted for prostitution per se, but essentially in falsifying information, tax fraud. If prostitution isn't legal, he would essentially be laundering money that was obtained illegally. This is if he is working on a larger scale. Would the cops seriously charge him? Probably not, but that is a hell of a lot of leverage to get someone to testify to all they know, isn't it? In the US, the only place that prostitution is legal is Nevada and only certain parts of Nevada at that. He may be saying that he can live on a lesser income, but how many houses do you think he would have to clean or phone calls do you think he would have to manage to be self supporting? And doing it for room and board? Yea, in the event of a bust, he is going to be questioned and the "I thought she delivered flowers" is so not going to fly, especially when he has no outside employment.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 5:20:17 PM)
Alecta, Sam's comparison with a strip club was a good one. In a strip club, if the bar gets busted for pandering (which happens more than most realize) because the girls are doing illegal things (varies from state to state), then everyone working in the club at that time AND the owner is going to be charged. If someone is keeping the books for a prostitute and lives in their house, managing all their expenses, it is foolish to think they wouldn't get charged. The more important issue is whether or not getting involved in something like that is worth the risk for the OP.

Kana -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 5:36:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Alecta, Sam's comparison with a strip club was a good one. In a strip club, if the bar gets busted for pandering (which happens more than most realize) because the girls are doing illegal things (varies from state to state), then everyone working in the club at that time AND the owner is going to be charged. If someone is keeping the books for a prostitute and lives in their house, managing all their expenses, it is foolish to think they wouldn't get charged. The more important issue is whether or not getting involved in something like that is worth the risk for the OP. The other thing any accountant, or for that matter pretty much any financial professional, needs to worry about is licensing boards. This sounds like an easy way for a CPA to get their license yanked, and then how are they gonna earn a living.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 6:03:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alecta I'm not sure what you're asking: if being a Pro service sub is feasible? or if a Pro will hire you as an admin assistant? About working FOR prostitutes, honey, just because they make a certain amount of money doesn't mean your services to them would be worth more than your services to an average person. It's unrealistic to imagine that working for a rich prostitute means you get paid more than you might from driving a little old lady around town for example. What they make is irrelevant to the value of your services to them. A personals site is the wrong place to look for a job, though. Go on your local craigslist and offer yourself as a driver/bodyguard/admin assistant for escorts. Be nice and polite but show yourself to be reliable, especially in a crisis situation. Good luck. He wants to be a pimp. It's pretty basic.

Alecta -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 6:16:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Alecta, Sam's comparison with a strip club was a good one. In a strip club, if the bar gets busted for pandering (which happens more than most realize) because the girls are doing illegal things (varies from state to state), then everyone working in the club at that time AND the owner is going to be charged. If someone is keeping the books for a prostitute and lives in their house, managing all their expenses, it is foolish to think they wouldn't get charged. The more important issue is whether or not getting involved in something like that is worth the risk for the OP. I read the OP to be doing miscellaneous things for independent ladies, and did not interpret it to mean he wants to move in and be their business manager. I suppose the accuracy is down to the OP's intentions? But I do agree, the risk gets a lot higher with large organisations like bars, clubs and the like, and he should if that is what he's looking for consider everything you and Sam are saying. I have to disagree with the bar and strip club parallel to what I said however, unless bars/clubs is the situation that the OP was looking for. In the bar/club, the bartender and waiter is present at the location while the illegal acts are going on, which is why they could be held in conjunction. It's really all about being able to plead ignorance. He will not be able to avoid questioning if the cops found out about him and want to bother with questioning him, but unless he is specifically present during the solicitation and the acts, his testimony can only be taken as hearsay and is therefore worthless. They can't charge him for answering the phone if nothing in his phone activities show he has any idea what he was helping to arrange. They can't charge him for cleaning her house if they cannot prove he knew what she did there. Just as a landlord cannot be charged if it cannot be proven that they knew what the prostitute was doing at the property. Yes, you can be threatened and questioned, nothing stops that, but they can't hold you. I'm not for or against working in that capacity, notice I for one am not doing it any more, although it was for the more usual "this job isn't doing enough for my needs" reasons than "oh god i need to get out of here". On the liability of accountants, like I said, if you're not doing accounting for the prostitution BUSINESS, there's not enough to charge you either. The scope I'd thought was clear from what I'd said was basically a woman comes to you with a bunch of stubs and numbers and a personal tax form and you put together their forms. Privacy laws means you don't have to ask what business she's running or who her clients are. Since you didn't ask, you don't know. Obviously you're on the hook for falsifying and laundering if that is what you do for them, but I considered that a separate issue just like if you falsified and laundered for a law firm or doctor's office. If you are simply the human calculator, they cannot expect you to know anything based on a bunch of receipts. Take away the damning labels and a prostitute's books looks just the same as any number of independent legit small or home businesses. If he drives her around but doesn't know why she's going to a particular location at an odd hour, he cannot be charged for prostitution. He can't even be legally faulted for choosing the pay over asking moral questions. Morality isn't written legality in itself. Whether someone believes what you're saying doesn't make for solid ground on which to charge you legally. The cops could disbelief that you have no idea who you were cleaning for, but unless they have you in the bag for participation, they can question and harass but not charge you. Really. I didn't go so far as to consider the sustainability of his plan, that's none of my business as I figure.

Alecta -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 6:32:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: samboct Alecta Flip it around. You're a little old lady down the street, you've got a big applicant pool and lots of suitable candidates. You're an escort and you want someone who isn't going to hit on you (assuming this is a consideration and I suspect for a lot of folks in that profession, it is.) who's reliable, and not likely to steal from you with the self serving justification of- well, what you're doing is illegal anyways....the job applicant pool is orders of magnitude smaller- hence, job seekers can command a higher wage. I've had no direct contact with prostitutes/escorts, and little enough with exotic dancers- but i did go to a hearing where the merits of a strip club were being debated. It was pretty clear that the women working there did it for the money and often the hours which allowed them to take care of their kids-but that they had very little respect for their customers. Unfortunately, the townspeople had even less respect for them. These women were as close to sex workers as I've had occasion to talk to- and what struck me was that men who didn't look at them as a piece of meat were a lot easier for them to take. Hence, the OP might actually be desirable- and therefore can command a better wage. Sam Sam, you would think that would be the case, and I did too at a time. But the little old ladies also want someone who is reliable and isn't going to steal from them or bully them, take advantage of their being isolated from immediate help and their perchance for mistrust of banks and cops, not to mention be available at little old lady hours and be acceptable to their somewhat capricious sensitivities, so their applicant pool isn't actually that large. And more and more prostitutes would rather have a hired hand they could have sex with instead of paying than someone strictly professional. And not necessarily because they don't want to pay with cash, apparently sometimes it helps them feel better about themselves(?). Exotic dancers, on the other hand, are a different breed and don't generally consider themselves part of the sex industry. They WOULD prefer someone who wouldn't hit on them, but they would also tend to prefer a non-judgemental woman over a man tending to the sort of things the OP wants to do. At leas, like I said, in my realm of experience.

samboct -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 6:43:04 PM)
Hi Alecta Well, little old ladies should discover the joys of finding people that are bonded. I have a friend who works as a dog walker, and she's bonded. However, I don't think being bonded is going to help in the sex worker business- but hell, I freely admit I'm guessing here. In terms of payment in kind versus cash, the OP made it plain that his lack of interest in the women may have made them more comfortable with him, so I think he's already shown that there's at least a niche demand for that kind of worker. Sam

Alecta -> RE: Working in the Sex Industry (11/18/2011 7:31:56 PM)
Ideally. if bonded workers cost the same as unbonded, everyone would want them, I think. My point, Sam, is the size of the applicant pool for the little old lady and the prostitute is the same size from the perspective of the prostitute and the little old lady in most cases. Although now that you've brought it up, I'm prompted to concede I'd forgotten about the "which town" quantifier. I'm not saying there isn't a niche or any demand for a worker who's not sexually into the prostitute, I'm saying he's an idiot to think that the majority of sex industry workers are like the 4 women he met on his one and only foray into that world.

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