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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/27/2011 2:31:45 PM

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As profoundly as a slave can change her master.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/27/2011 3:15:24 PM

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I maintain that a true slave is not made, they are found.

I maintain that there is no such thing as a "true slave" in D/s BDSM.

Your statement is surprising. The key word is 'true'. If someone is 100% -- every fiber of their being -- suited for and happy only doing a specific thing, then that is what they truly are. Are you maintaining your contention that this is not true, and if so, why?

By the way, you are simply a gorgeous woman. Got any sisters or daughters that want to feel the whip?

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/27/2011 3:39:36 PM

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Your statement is surprising. The key word is 'true'. If someone is 100% -- every fiber of their being -- suited for and happy only doing a specific thing, then that is what they truly are. Are you maintaining your contention that this is not true, and if so, why?

For a number of reasons. Your definition loses sight of the fact that submission is only one facet of who I am. Being entirely defined by the role of "s" would make me one dimensional....and I'm not. There are other things that also suggest that the word "true" get left out as well. It can be argued that consensual slavery isn't a "true slave". It's also maintained that what I consider to be ideal isn't someone else's ideal. So, yeah, I don't believe in the term "true slave".

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By the way, you are simply a gorgeous woman. Got any sisters or daughters that want to feel the whip?

Thank you for the compliment. But, even if I did, I wouldn't be recommending a stranger.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 4:39:05 AM

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As profoundly as a slave can change her master.

May i ask how you mean this SM? i think i know where you are coming from, meaning change is part of any relationship, but you may have something else in mind, and my mind reading skills need some brushing up.

Thanks in advance,
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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 6:37:35 AM

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Who wants to admit their dominant is a bad influence?

My ex D had a drinking problem, and I began to drink way more than I should have. Picked up some other bad habits as well, but the psychology behind this is too personal to get into here.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 7:12:54 AM

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Who wants to admit their dominant is a bad influence?

My ex D had a drinking problem, and I began to drink way more than I should have. Picked up some other bad habits as well, but the psychology behind this is too personal to get into here.

That was kind of my point earlier. Just because someone is dominant does not mean they're in a position to determine how or what someone else should change. Matter of fact, I've seen a large number guys that label themselves as dominants that couldn't get their own crap together if you gave them a free suitcase.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 7:40:27 AM

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Yeah, it's this funny idea that just declaring yourself Dominant means you're a certified therapist/life coach/magician all in one. :p

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 8:33:24 AM

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Yeah, it's this funny idea that just declaring yourself Dominant means you're a certified therapist/life coach/magician all in one. :p

Frightening, isn't it? What's even more frightening and sad is the number of subs who believe it is so.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 11:47:20 AM

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I see where you might feel that way. I think being submissive, it is probably very hard for you to really understand the mindset of a 'true' slave. It does not in any way make them one dimensional. They can have as full a life as you have (and do, I've trained many). What it does do however, is that it is a true and complete transfer (irrevocable) of power to the owner. This is a privilege that is earned over time, until the slave makes their final choice to make it my right.

This is why I say that a true slave is not made, she is found. They are hard to find, and frequently when I have found them, they have been abused or misused, broken, or hurt by those without the skill and sense of responsibility to carry that level of control without abusing the slave. I reward the slave for transforming the privilege into a right. For yielding themselves to me; even to the air they are allowed to breath, the heartbeats they are given to serve me. I am not a god, obviously, but I expect that level of love, devotion, and sacrifice. Anything less means they are giving less than 100% of themselves to me.

Here is a diary entry from one of my recent 'true' slaves, giving insight into her mindset--

"Master still hasn't gotten His videos. cunt has been busy all day working and had no time left alone. So it's still holding its shit. it is enjoying the discomfort in a way, because every time it wants to relieve itself, it thinks of Master. As it should be! Master and His cock are what matters. Master and His cock are its reason for existing. Period. The more it thinks of Master and the more it is reminded of its place in the world, the better it feels. When it gets upset or frustrated, it's not because Master's too hard or too demanding. He's the perfect Master. It's the world outside of cuntmind that drives it crazy. Master brings pigsemen back to sanity. Where it's happy. So when its tummy rumbles and it has to clench its butthole, it thinks of Master. Good for pigsemen, not good for Master. This is when it feels totally useless. And needs its cunt spankings. To show it's at least wanting to do what it is supposed to do, it smiled for Master today. Clit was clamped and pulled. As it writes, it wants to go empty its bowels. Badly! Thank You, Master!" ~cunt

This was written after she was not allowed to defecate without permission (3-4 days had passed). The term 'smile' denotes a ritual I developed for her- she was trained to always carry 2 or 3 queue-balls in her vagina, like oversized benwa balls, and I would have her squat and push one out exactly half-way out using her vaginal muscles alone, take a pic or vid of it, and then suck it back in. No matter where she happened to be at, or time of day or night. Such little things make a girl so happy.

In the end, one 'true' slave is literally worth her weight in gold. Because she wants it this way. I just remove the obstacles in her mind and in her life and allow her to be the pigslut she craves to be- and be respected for it.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 11:52:25 AM

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In response to LilBoPeep's comment--

Agreed. The number of so-called 'dom' types fooling around without actually having experience in physiology, anatomy, psychology, and the concept of trust, is appalling. It's also one of the primary reasons so many women get such a raw deal- not just in alternative lifestyles, but everywhere. You ever see the chumps on Dr. Phil, that some of these wonderful women get stuck with...???

Boggles my mind.
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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 11:53:05 AM

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Devilsrigger, your problem is that you don't understand that your way, and your definition of "true" aren't the only ones that exist. This girl may be great for you, but not every person considers things like that to be features of their brand of ownership. One person owns a lapdog, while another owns a fire & rescue dog -- totally different manners of existence, and yet both are just as valid. Who are you to say one person's style of ownership, and thus the type of slave they have, is less than? No you're not a god, you're just a guy who puts too much stock in his own opinions.

You're attempting to apply your preferences as an umbrella over everyone, and judge everyone who doesn't fit your preferences as "less than" which is a really... unappealing way of thinking.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 11:58:11 AM

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I thought, in order to have a discussion, which is not an argument by the way, that one should interact in the conversation. I am not trying to change anyone's mind; I can see what others view things the way they do.

Your analogy to a lap-dog is not correct either. I've seen women broken and turned into automaton's. The women I train are happy, healthy, and have full lives doing pretty much what they want. They just understand their purpose (as they see it).

Remember, I don't make a woman into anything- every woman I train, she does so because she chose to every step of the way. Which goes back to my original point, which you are missing. You cannot change a slave. You cannot actually change anyone unless you intend to brainwash them. Instead of trying to change someone, it is better to choose more carefully and help them be what they already are.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:03:12 PM

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A good Dominant improves His or Her sub and vice versa.

A person's core, who they are inherently, is not something that anyone should seek to tamper with.

Sure, if You want your sub to hold her breath longer or You want him not to cum for one more day...train 'em.

But if You want to break into who they are as people and tinker with that sense of individuality, You're a bloody idiot.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:32:06 PM

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In response to LilBoPeep's comment--

Agreed. The number of so-called 'dom' types fooling around without actually having experience in physiology, anatomy, psychology, and the concept of trust, is appalling.

You obviously don't either based on this quote:

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This was written after she was not allowed to defecate without permission (3-4 days had passed).

Making someone hold their bowels for 3-4 days when they need to go is NOT healthy. So any knowledge you think you have in physiology or anatomy is seriously lacking.

There is NO "true" way. It may be true for you, but that means absolutely nothing to the rest of the world.

As LPB said, you put far too much stock in your own opinions. You are exactly what we are talking about being silly. A dominant who thinks he is capable of being a therapist/life coach, etc., all the while stupidly demanding actions that could eventually be physically damaging to the health of those who have trusted you.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:32:15 PM

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At the end of the day, if all you want to do is wander around in a fog, arguing semantics, definitions of consent, and other inane things, then well, it's proof as to why forums are largely useless. I wish you all the very best.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:33:35 PM

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At the end of the day, if all you want to do is wander around in a fog, arguing semantics, definitions of consent, and other inane things, then well, it's proof as to why forums are largely useless. I wish you all the very best.

Of course it is fully expected that you run when people question your opinions, or comment on the stupidity and ignorance of some of your actions.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:34:16 PM

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Your not a doctor, you wouldn't know, would you?

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:36:17 PM

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If you consider anything but your way to be "fog," than that kind of thinking is what makes conversations impossible and forums useless. We have a variety of people here with a variety of ideas, and sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. I've learned quite a bit from people here, personally.

Good luck to you. You have every right to live in your own bubble. Just don't expect everyone to want to join you there.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:36:59 PM

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Your not a doctor, you wouldn't know, would you?

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Actually you have no idea what I am or am not, what I know for medical fact or not.

But clearly, YOU are not a doctor, and if you are, someone should likely revoke your license.

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RE: How much can a Master actually change a slave? - 11/28/2011 12:42:13 PM

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I'm not running. I just don't feel like it's necessary for me to justify myself further. I've input all I care to input on this particular forum.

You do it your way, and you have a wonderful time. I'm just sorry that while I have been cordial, you feel the need to attack me.

I would recommend, based on your attack, that you re-evaluate whether or not you should even been in this lifestyle.

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