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RE: The Alternate Universe of America's Religious Right - 11/26/2011 8:25:06 AM   
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Your comments notwithstanding, there are growing numbers of nominal "Christians" who not only live in a fucking alternate universe but who are determined to make it the only universe there is.

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I'd definitely call them a "Christian Taliban"

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RE: The Alternate Universe of America's Religious Right - 11/26/2011 4:43:30 PM   
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Your comments notwithstanding, there are growing numbers of nominal "Christians" who not only live in a fucking alternate universe but who are determined to make it the only universe there is.
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K.

I have had a personal animus against these Dominionists/Christian Reconstructionists (and not, as Firm seems to believe, a "particular breed of ubermensch mentality") ever since some of them (granted, the more extreme of them) tried to burn down my father's church in New Mexico in 2007 because my father was preaching Jesus Christ's teachings and not the Dominionist teachings of the American Familiy Association, The New Apostolic Reformation and Rousas John Rushdoony's Institutes of Biblical Law. They also attempted to burn down my father's house (he was at the hospice at the time where my mother was dying), but alert neighbors called the police and fire departments in time. As far as I am aware, the arsonists are still in prison.

Try to kill my parents, my siblings, my children or my sub - and you have made me an enemy for life.

These people are not a recent phenomena - take a moment to look at Invitation To A Stoning, Reason Magazine, November 1998

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In a world run by Rushdoony followers,...those who would face execution include not only gays but a very long list of others: blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of "unchastity before marriage," "incorrigible" juvenile delinquents, adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics. And that's to say nothing of murderers and those guilty of raping married women or "betrothed virgins." Adulterers, among others, might meet their doom by being publicly stoned...

Mainstream outlets like the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post are finally starting to take note of the influence Rushdoony and his followers have exerted for years in American conservative circles. But a second part of the story, of particular interest to readers of this magazine, is the degree to which Reconstructionists have gained prominence in libertarian causes, ranging from hard-money economics to the defense of home schooling...

Politically, Reconstructionists have been active both in the GOP and in the splinter U.S. Taxpayers Party [now calling itself The Constitution Party]; but their greater influence, as they themselves would doubtless agree, has been felt in the sphere of ideas, in helping change the terms of discourse on the traditionalist right. One of their effects has been to allow everyone else to feel moderate. To wit: Almost any anti-abortion stance seems nuanced when compared with Gary North's advocacy of public execution not just for women who undergo abortions but for those who advised them to do so....

"So let us be blunt about it," says Gary North [Rushdoony's son-in-law and former Congressional staffer for GOP Presidential nomination contender Ron Paul]. "We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God."

The above was written in 1998 - and these people have greater influence today than they did then.




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RE: The Alternate Universe of America's Religious Right - 11/26/2011 4:59:47 PM   
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Whats funny to me is the number of atheists who are also republicans.


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RE: The Alternate Universe of America's Religious Right - 11/26/2011 5:08:12 PM   
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The core of the party is deeply religious... at least they insist they are. It just seems hypocritical to be part of a movement whose core beliefs you dont believe in.

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RE: The Alternate Universe of America's Religious Right - 11/26/2011 5:41:45 PM   
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I remember that article. My favorite paragraph is one you didn't quote:

Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this impersonal era....

Hill nailed it. This pack of loons is nothing more or less than a Christian Taliban.

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RE: The Alternate Universe of America's Religious Right - 11/26/2011 6:52:54 PM   
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Scary stuff. I'm glad that a phenomenon like your Christian Taliban doesn't carry much political weight here. They do exist here, they make some noise and have an occasional minor political success but are regarded by most Aussies with a degree of healthy contempt.

In practice they're little different to yours. The same messianic unthinking devotion to literalistic interpretations, the same obsession with 'sins of the flesh' (esp if the sinner is female or [Heaven help us!] gay/queer/non-heterosexual), the same political agenda allied to the far and looney Right, the same jingoistic nationalism, the same racist undercurrents ..... you get the picture. Amusingly, their pastors/leaders also get arrested regularly for sex offences - usually with children or furtive gay sex in public toilets - as yours do.

In a revealing example of how they think and operate, currently they're opposing non-sectarian ethics classes being offered to school children (aged c10 and up) who decline the Scripture class option in public schools. Their reasoning: it 'deprives' the poor kids of the opportunity to be brainwashed into their particular ideology. Even in relation to teaching ethics to children, it's their way or no way ...... So sad.

I don't envy you guys having to live with the prospect of these deranged and so-dangerous fanatics taking control of one of your major political parties and wish you all the best in opposing the Christian Taliban in all its guises.

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