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tazzygirl -> NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 1:55:13 PM)

Michele Bachmann’s appearance on Jimmy Fallon’s “Late Night” caused quite a kerfuffle Wednesday and now the GOP presidential candidate has received an apology from NBC.

What was all the commotion about? Fallon’s house band, the Roots, played a snippet from Fishbone’s 1985 song “Lyin’ Ass Bitch” as Bachmann took the stage. She didn’t catch on at first, but after the episode aired and Bachmann found out about the diss, she wanted an apology.


It was nice to NBC to apologize.. [:D]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 2:16:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

It was nice of NBC to apologize.



Agreed... though the guy (the drummer, I think... who tweeted the day before he was gonna do this) should be fired.





farglebargle -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 3:00:24 PM)

TRUTH is an absolute defense.




Termyn8or -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 3:20:04 PM)

Not no more fargle.

The media can lie legally, that has been established in the supreme court. Libel laws still exist. So if the news lies and I make it a point to make it VERY public and damage their commercial interests they will sue me and I will run out of money before they do, because if the case isn't dismissed quickly the party with the deeper pockets will win. Care to try it ? Tell the truth and if the libel case is summarily dismissed you win. If not, you lose - everything.

So technically it's not true.

T^T




Sanity -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 5:40:29 PM)


They can never apologize enough for what theyve become




tazzygirl -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 6:49:53 PM)

Dont know how true it is, and, frankly, im too full to look it up, but I was told the contract they had for that band was the band had control over what they played.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 7:25:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

TRUTH is an absolute defense.



Which is why it's "true" that Obama is lying fucking failure. [:D]





BanthaSamantha -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 10:45:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA


Agreed... though the guy (the drummer, I think... who tweeted the day before he was gonna do this) should be fired.




I don't think we should get into a habit of firing comedians and satirist for making jokes about political figures. That's something Communist China or King Joffrey would do.




rulemylife -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 10:57:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Not no more fargle.

The media can lie legally, that has been established in the supreme court. Libel laws still exist. So if the news lies and I make it a point to make it VERY public and damage their commercial interests they will sue me and I will run out of money before they do, because if the case isn't dismissed quickly the party with the deeper pockets will win. Care to try it ? Tell the truth and if the libel case is summarily dismissed you win. If not, you lose - everything.

So technically it's not true.

T^T


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Libel and slander laws are very straightforward.

If you can prove your case you will win a settlement.

And your legal fees will come from that payment.

It is only if you file a frivolous suit that you will be liable.







willbeurdaddy -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 11:21:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA


Agreed... though the guy (the drummer, I think... who tweeted the day before he was gonna do this) should be fired.




I don't think we should get into a habit of firing comedians and satirist for making jokes about political figures. That's something Communist China or King Joffrey would do.


Except the band isnt comedians, and their stunt was their own idea. She was a guest on the show, you dont treat guests like that or you wont get many more.




xssve -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/24/2011 11:44:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA


Agreed... though the guy (the drummer, I think... who tweeted the day before he was gonna do this) should be fired.




I don't think we should get into a habit of firing comedians and satirist for making jokes about political figures. That's something Communist China or King Joffrey would do.
Satire is protected speech.




BanthaSamantha -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 12:22:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Except the band isnt comedians, and their stunt was their own idea. She was a guest on the show, you dont treat guests like that or you wont get many more.


I am sure that if NBC grows to feel that the house band on the Jimmy Fallon show is a business liability, they'll get their pink slips. This thread really isn't talking about prudent business decisions, though.




Lucylastic -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 3:27:59 AM)

were there any words spoken in the song?





tazzygirl -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 4:28:30 AM)

Nope.




DarkSteven -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 4:29:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Not no more fargle.

The media can lie legally, that has been established in the supreme court. Libel laws still exist. So if the news lies and I make it a point to make it VERY public and damage their commercial interests they will sue me and I will run out of money before they do, because if the case isn't dismissed quickly the party with the deeper pockets will win. Care to try it ? Tell the truth and if the libel case is summarily dismissed you win. If not, you lose - everything.

So technically it's not true.

T^T


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Libel and slander laws are very straightforward.

If you can prove your case you will win a settlement.

And your legal fees will come from that payment.

It is only if you file a frivolous suit that you will be liable.



Wrong.

Libel and slander laws could be written in a straightforward manner.  That is WRITTEN law. CASE law is how the laws are APPLIED, and it's messy.

To win a libel/slander case, three things must be proven:

1. That the statement was believed incorrect when it was made.
2. That the untruth was maliciously intended.
3. That the victim suffered real damage (I believe it must be quantifiable as well).

If you ever check actual decisions (I have, as I was once slandered and suffered quantifiable damage as a consequence), you will find that the standards are set almost impossibly high.

That bit about how legal fees are to be paid to the wronged party if he or she wins?  I very much doubt that that is written in the law.  Generally speaking, if someone wins a case, they are allowed to file a SECOND civil suit to recover legal fees, but it's not an automatic win, and if they lose, they'll be out two sets of legal fees.

Finally, you have confused a "frivolous" suit (which means that the court considers that there is no merit whatsoever) and a losing suit, in which a case might have merit but is not strong enough to win.

Edited to add:  In this case, Bachmann would have a hard time proving she was harmed by this song.  If her poll numbers suddenly dropped right afterward, she might have a case but since her chance of winning the GOP nod is small, the actual harm would be slight.

Stepping away from all that, it was classless for Fallon to do that, simply on the grounds that guests should be treated with at least some degree of respect.  But I don't consider legal means of countering this to be appropriate.  Much better would be conservatives making a list of the companies that advertise on the show and suggesting fellow conservatives boycott their products.  THAT'S how to get heard.




ArizonaBossMan -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 4:34:50 AM)

pffft, why would MB even go on that program? I wouldn't waste my time with 99 percent of that hollywood bunch. They are mostly all lapdogs for socialist o'dumbo types anyway. They are little children, snickering behind the teachers back. sooo smart, oh they fooled 'em all with that song. Imagine if they did that to any leftist female? I can't imagine it either. Like pelosi? See the problem my fellow conservatives get into is when they think this bunch actually believes their own nonsense. They say freedom of speech and kindness and civil discourse, but not if it is toward a conservative. They don't really mean their own blather. I'm only interested in DEFEATING them, not understanding them or heaven no on compromise with them.




Lucylastic -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 4:44:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nope.

media stunt, bad taste ...
I cant stand the screwy bitch ,but meh Ive seen worse, the guy did it to make a noise... what a plonker. BTW is there anyone here that would recognize the tune? Is it real well known?





tazzygirl -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 5:02:58 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeVjopXLWI

The clip from the show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyguJEVSjzU

The whole song

http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyin-ass-bitch-lyrics-fishbone.html

The lyrics.

Its not something I remember.




Lucylastic -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 5:21:44 AM)

ska fans maybe ..stonedeaf ska fans




Owner59 -> RE: NBC apologizes (11/25/2011 6:33:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nope.

media stunt, bad taste ...
I cant stand the screwy bitch ,but meh Ive seen worse, the guy did it to make a noise... what a plonker. BTW is there anyone here that would recognize the tune? Is it real well known?




No.

If not for tweet before hand,nobody would have known the song title, save the band`s fans.

Shows how thin the con`s skin is.

"I`m a victim of the big bad hollywood thingie,therefore I must be awesome.....vote for me".......lol




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