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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 6:13:22 PM   
MisPandora


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Status: offline 		Please don't be sending folks to buy cattle brands for human flesh.

Acceptable methods of human branding in the mod communities generally include single strike branding, multi strike branding, fine line (electrocautery). The strike branding is usually done with AUTOCLAVED custom steel pieces pre-cut to curves or pieces of the design.

But branding isn't just about the actual implement, but understanding how scarification works, and more importantly, figuring out how the scarification will work on that particular subject based on their injury and healing history.  Skin types, keloiding and things like that are all factors that the average Joe Schmoe has no clue about.

Fakir Musafar still occasionally puts on a branding artist intensive on the west coast.  http://www.bodyplay.com.  This is a narrative about a class and multiple session branding that he did -- http://www.relache.com/body_art/branding/index.html.  This is not meant to be "instructional materials".

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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 6:33:04 PM   
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The strike branding is usually done with AUTOCLAVED custom steel pieces pre-cut to curves or pieces of the design.

Anyone who thinks they need to use an AUTOCLAVED implement for branding ain't clear on the concept of branding & is dangerously ignorant about sterility! 


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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 6:54:43 PM   
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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 7:08:10 PM   
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What kind of 'Doc' are you?

One who's studied anatomy, physiology, surgery, infectious diseases and rehabilitation for more years than most of you have even attended college.  But I'm not going to post my CV on this site!

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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 7:15:06 PM   
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WHAT?!
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The strike branding is usually done with AUTOCLAVED custom steel pieces pre-cut to curves or pieces of the design.

Anyone who thinks they need to use an AUTOCLAVED implement for branding ain't clear on the concept of branding & is dangerously ignorant about sterility! 



DAMN! Ya, beat me to the punch.... again

Doc, it's nice to have you on the board.

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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 7:17:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I've read, the heat needed to make an effective brand isn't always hot enough to kill everything that could cause problems. I figure I'm probably wrong about this, but I guess the way I look at it, it can't hurt to autoclave it, even if the heat will kill most stuff.

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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 7:26:45 PM   
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From what I've read, the heat needed to make an effective brand isn't always hot enough to kill everything that could cause problems. I figure I'm probably wrong about this, but I guess the way I look at it, it can't hurt to autoclave it, even if the heat will kill most stuff.


If I recall correctly,  an autoclave is about 220 to 250 degrees Fahrenheit.  It's just steam under about 15 psi pressure over atmospheric.  A branding iron is heated to red heat.  That's about 1200 to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit.  If there's anything biological that can survive at that temperature, I don't want to meet it in a dark alley

However, you are right.  It wouldn't hurt to autoclave it.  It also wouldn't hurt to have a priest bless it, but the blow torch is pretty much going to mark paid to any life forms on the steel. 

 

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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 8:27:22 PM   
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One who's studied anatomy, physiology, surgery, infectious diseases and rehabilitation for more years than most of you have even attended college.  But I'm not going to post my CV on this site!

Did anyone ask you to post your CV?  No.  Asking what kind of doctor a person might be is hardly an unreasonable thing to ask someone who dispenses medical advice and calls himself  "Doc," don't you think?

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RE: Branding advice - 5/29/2006 8:33:55 PM   
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"But what could possibly go wrong with this red-hot branding iron scene with inverted nipple ring suspension?  I've read three whole books by John Norman...."

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RE: Branding advice - 5/31/2006 7:38:00 PM   
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From what I've read, the heat needed to make an effective brand isn't always hot enough to kill everything that could cause problems. I figure I'm probably wrong about this, but I guess the way I look at it, it can't hurt to autoclave it, even if the heat will kill most stuff.


If I recall correctly,  an autoclave is about 220 to 250 degrees Fahrenheit.  It's just steam under about 15 psi pressure over atmospheric.  A branding iron is heated to red heat.  That's about 1200 to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit.  If there's anything biological that can survive at that temperature, I don't want to meet it in a dark alley

However, you are right.  It wouldn't hurt to autoclave it.  It also wouldn't hurt to have a priest bless it, but the blow torch is pretty much going to mark paid to any life forms on the steel. 




I stand corrected. Thank you :)


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RE: Branding advice - 5/31/2006 10:28:55 PM   
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I ain't no doc but even barn yard idiots know that a branding iron gets hotter than an autoclave.  I think 1500 degrees is even enough to destroy prions which are as nasty and indestructible as nearly not quite living things get.

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RE: Branding advice - 5/31/2006 10:29:58 PM   
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I stand corrected. Thank you :)



No problem.  It's just my old copy editor fetish coming to the fore.

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RE: Branding advice - 5/31/2006 10:35:04 PM   
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However, you are right.  It wouldn't hurt to autoclave it.  It also wouldn't hurt to have a priest bless it, but the blow torch is pretty much going to mark paid to any life forms on the steel. 


Or a Rabbi.  Oy.  Now about that idea of practicing on a pork roast...

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RE: Branding advice - 6/1/2006 4:05:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pork is about as close as it gets to human flesh, so practicing on roasts or thick pork chops is not a terrible idea.  Granted, the idea of branding is not exactly the bulb throwing the brightest rays, but hey, it's your choice, along with the submissive's, not mine.

Another item to test on is uncured and unstiffened leather, such as the inside of a cow hide, or preferably, horse hide.  Will stink to all Hells when you do it, but it will give you an idea about how much pressure is needed, how long it takes to burn as opposed to sear, and a host of other things that anyone that does branding should keep in mind at all times.


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RE: Branding advice - 6/1/2006 6:19:11 AM   
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Stef,

I ain't no doc but even barn yard idiots know that a branding iron gets hotter than an autoclave.  I think 1500 degrees is even enough to destroy prions which are as nasty and indestructible as nearly not quite living things get.

Um, I don't recall saying anything that would contradict this.

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RE: Branding advice - 6/1/2006 1:05:28 PM   
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Another item to test on is uncured and unstiffened leather, such as the inside of a cow hide, or preferably, horse hide.  Will stink to all Hells when you do it, but it will give you an idea about how much pressure is needed, how long it takes to burn as opposed to sear, and a host of other things that anyone that does branding should keep in mind at all times.



I've branded cattle and I doubt you would want the same pressure or heat on a human.  I would recommend practicing on something less tough than a hide.  The pork chop or a steak is probably much better. JMHO

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RE: Branding advice - 6/2/2006 8:57:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've created brands, and helped a friend brand his slave with a brand I crafted.  Fakir Mustapha and Ken Coyote where of great help with years of experience behind them.  First thing is that every tale of branding from fiction, is just that.  Use it as a guide, and somebody will be maimed.  Second, chicken breasts make a good test target for your strike technique.  Beyond that, drop me a note, I'll see if I can't point you to current people who know.  It is NOT something to consider lightly.

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RE: Branding advice - 6/3/2006 2:03:53 AM   
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Im sorry that kinds scares me

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RE: Branding advice - 6/3/2006 11:41:06 AM   
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WOW do people really brand R/L

Im sorry that kinds scares me


Why? It's a form of body modification like tattooing or piercing. I know many many vanilla people who have brands, done by professional body artists.
For examples, go here http://www.bmezine.com/scar/bme-scar.html and look at branding photos.

If done by a professional it's no more risky (or I've heared) more painfull than gettig a tattoo.


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RE: Branding advice - 6/3/2006 6:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well All I can do is echo the " seek a professional advice" but in the interm I saw mention of " dry Ice" I would like to expand upon that idea by relating a scene I have done for many years. Its a good " test" for those who want to do the whole full blown branding scene and is a bit of a mind fuck at the same time ::smile:::.

prepare your subject for a " branding" with full negotiation and their imput , Make a day of it , invite friends ::smile:::

To prepare you will need a couple of coat hangers < the Subject should only see one !!! >A Bilnd fold ,  a nice gas fire from a grill , A large block of dry Ice and a steak. < some of you see where I am going already!! >

Make a nice design you can live with for a few weeks out of the coat hangers , I will disagree here about the Flatness of the design < either for a real brand or this method> the design should be slightly convex and should touch the portion of the body being branded evenly.

Make a Production of it all , Hightened tension is a boon here.

Place brand one in the fire , work it red hot and let the subject see it heating.

Brand two should already be in the dry ice , for full effect it should be coverd if possible and frozen for an Hour or two .

Blindfold the subject and prepare them to be branded , keep your voice low and a bit sinister , each word will send chills down their spine .

Now have a friend assist and while holding the steak and the fire brand close but not too close to the subject have them time branding the steak to your pulling the real brand from the ice and using that to brand your subject.

the sizzle and smell of the steak will add to the sensation from the Ice brand.

The mark will last from a week to a few weeks and feels very real , this in my opinion is a good " test run" before you find a professional to help you with the real brand.

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