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Owner59 -> Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 4:38:33 PM)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/morning-open-thread/2011/11/25/gIQAuoNNvN_blog.html


By Greg Sargent


A reader emails me an explaination as to why Mitt Romney’s campaign aired that ad ripping Obama’s words out of context in an almost comically brazen and dishonest way:

The reason Romney went uber-negative and put out the ad which lied about President Obama’s words was very simple and strategically brilliant: to signal to the right-wing conservatives that he, Romney, will go to any lengths, say anything, bear all criticisms, to defeat Obama.

This interpretation is practically supported by what the Romney camp itself has said about the ad. Romney advisers have proudly boasted that their dishonesty “worked,” because it secured more media attention for the ad and baited the Obama team into an all-out response, creating the impression of a head-to-head media showdown between Romney and the President. It’s only a tiny leap from there to the conclusion that the Romney camp saw the dishonesty itself as a way to prove to GOP primary voters that Romney will do whatever it takes to beat Obama. And if this is the game, then the Romney camp’s unrepentance in the face of widespread media condemnation only helps, signaling that Romney is willing to employ whatever tactics are necessary to end the Obama presidency even if it means bravely taking a sustained beating from the Obama-worshipping liberal media along the way.

My view is that all the boasting from Romney’s advisers about their own strategic brilliance is just bluster. If they’re willing to run an ad this dishonest, why would anyone believe anything they say about it? It’s more likely that they lied, got caught, and came up with another set of falsehoods to explain the lie away. But who knows — maybe the above interpretation is true. Maybe the Romney team thinks a deliberate show of dishonesty will carry appeal for GOP primary voters who hate Obama so much that they want a candidate who will throw even the most basic standards of honesty and decency out the window to defeat him. If so, that says a lot about the Romney campaign’s regard for those voters, doesn’t it?


The ad:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/mitt-romney-ad-misquotes-president-obama/




tazzygirl -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 4:45:49 PM)

Its politics. People will believe what they want to believe, on both sides of the isle.




Owner59 -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 5:01:20 PM)

Agreed.


Does this mean dems can be "fair and balanced" too.[sm=stickineye.gif][sm=paddle.gif][sm=discipline.gif][sm=blasted.gif][sm=evil.gif][:D]




tazzygirl -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 5:03:11 PM)

I would rather not... lol... those words dont mean what they used too.




Owner59 -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 5:05:35 PM)

Dratt!....[:D]


Isn`t this a little like having to have killed someone to be made in the mafia?


You know,proof that you can be trusted and counted on to do whatever?




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 5:57:03 PM)

 
Explaining Baroccoli O'Liar's Dishonesty...
 
Fucking retarded, idiot, shit-bag, failure, left-tard, Socialist, lying moron.
 
[:D]
 

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Owner59 -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 6:04:27 PM)

What dishonesty is that?




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 6:46:15 PM)

 
Baroccoli O’Liar:

"Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law."

"I made a bunch of these promises during the campaign. ... We've got about 60 percent done in three years."

Under President Barack Obama, the United States has "doubled our exports."

Says stories about his birth certificate drowned out media coverage of the Republican and White House budget plans the week of April 11.

The president’s proposed budget "will help reduce the deficit by $400 billion over the next decade to the lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was president."

Under the White House’s budget proposal, "we will not be adding more to the national debt" by the middle of the decade.

Twelve judges have thrown out legal challenges to the health care law because they rejected "the notion that the health care law was unconstitutional."

"I didn't raise taxes once."

When President Franklin D. Roosevelt started Social Security, "it only affected widows and orphans," and when Medicare began, "it was a small program."

The Bush administration had been "giving (auto companies) billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return."

"The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.''

"We've excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs."

When Obama was interviewed by American reporters in Asia, "Not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy."

Insurers delayed an Illinois man's treatment, "and he died because of it."

Health reform will "give every American the same opportunity" to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.

Preventive care "saves money."

No earmarks in spending bill

"If we went back to the obesity rates that existed back in the 1980s, the Medicare system over several years could save as much as a trillion dollars."

"I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter."

Stimulus tax cuts "began showing up in paychecks of 4.8 million Indiana households about three months ago."

Health insurance companies are "making record profits, right now."

"We import more oil today than ever before."

"In eighth grade math, we’ve fallen to ninth place."

"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jump-start the economy."

"Senator McCain would pay for part of his (health care) plan by making drastic cuts in Medicare — $882-billion worth."

"The centerpiece of Senator McCain's education policy is to increase the voucher program in D.C. by 2,000 slots."

Under John McCain's health care plan, people get a $5,000 tax credit to buy a $12,000 health care policy, and "that's a loss for you."

John McCain accused Barack Obama "of letting infants die."

"Oil companies ...currently have 68-million acres that they're not using."

McCain "has opposed stem cell research."

"But if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week."

"The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down.''

Oil companies "haven't touched" 68 million acres where they already have rights to drill.

Fully inflating tires is "a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent."

John McCain refuses to support a new bipartisan energy bill "because it would take away tax breaks from oil companies like Exxon Mobil."

The U.S. government spends less on energy innovation "than the pet food industry invests in its own products."

"Our National Guard, as we saw in the Midwest flooding, can't function as effectively as it could. I was talking to National Guard representatives. Fifteen of their 17 helicopters in this region were overseas during the flooding."

"I think we came down here (to Florida) one time ... but we weren't actively fundraising here."

"I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins."

"He's promising four more years of an administration that will push for the privatization of Social Security..."

"We are bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another 100 years."

"Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a 'boon' to our economy."

"As has been noted by many observers, including Bill Clinton's former secretary of labor, my plan does more than anybody to reduce costs."

"She said, you know, 'I voted for it, but I hoped it wouldn't pass.' That was a quote on live TV."

Americans "have never paid more for gas at the pump."

"I know that Hillary on occasion has said — just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy."

"Gas prices have never been higher, and Exxon Mobil's profits have never been higher."

"If we went back to the obesity rates that existed in 1980, that would save the Medicare system a trillion dollars."

"John wasn't this raging populist four years ago" when he ran for president.

"Right now, an employer has more of a chance of getting hit by lightning than be prosecuted for hiring an undocumented worker. That has to change."

If African-Americans vote their percentage of the population in 2008, "Mississippi is suddenly a Democratic state."


http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/




mons -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 6:53:04 PM)

masterslavela

I never seen such hate for anyone of the president as this one!
Tell me what lies has he said or done, that on other person in office has not'as in
not keeping a promise, or it is something else, in all of my years I truly never seen this
type of hate for a sitting president in office, so master slave of la what do you mean by this 'big poster?

It says so much about a person thoughts and actions! 

mons




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 6:59:27 PM)

 
Learn to READ (your question answered above already).  Obama is a lying, retarded, scum-bag failure!!! [8|]





BanthaSamantha -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 7:09:42 PM)

Ironically enough, President Obama's Politifact ratio of true/mostly true to false/mostly false is better than any of his Republican challengers, with the lone exception of Ron Paul. If MasterSlaveLA hates Obama for being a liar, he must really want Michelle Bachmann to burn in hell.




ArizonaBossMan -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 7:12:41 PM)

omg more delusional demtoids here. How DO you do it? Drugs? Or just flat out mentally ill?




kalikshama -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 7:14:52 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com#Criticism

PolitiFact.com has faced assertions among some politically conservative commentators that it is politically biased in its declarations of truth and untruth. For example, Taranto of the Wall Street Journal called PolitiFact.com "less seeker of truth than servant of power"[4], while a Wall Street Journal editorial wrote that PolitiFact is "part of a larger journalistic trend that seeks to recast all political debates as matters of lies, misinformation and 'facts,' rather than differences of world view or principles."[8] In The American Spectator, conservative analyst Matthew Vadum, citing several of PolitiFact.com's analyses, called their content "political opinion masquerading as high-minded investigative journalism."[10]

In October 2009, PolitiFact.com fact-checked a skit on the sketch comedy television show Saturday Night Live that showed President Obama stating that he had not accomplished anything thus far;[11] PolitiFact's appraisal was then reported on CNN. Wall Street Journal writer James Taranto called the fact-checking "a bizarre exercise", and added, "PolitiFact does not appear to have done the same for past "SNL" sketches spoofing Republican politicians like George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin... It's as if CNN and the St. Petersburg Times are trying to reinforce the impression that they are in the tank for Obama.".[12]

In February 2010, PolitiFact.com rated President Obama's statement that the Recovery Act had saved or created 2 million jobs in the United States as "half true", stating that the real figure was 1 million according to several independent studies.[13] Economist Brian Riedl of the conservative Heritage Foundation responded that such a statement "belongs in an opinion editorial - not a fact check", since "there is no way to determine how the economy would have performed without a stimulus."[14]

PolitiFact.com has also been attacked by left-wing commentators.[original research?] In July 2010, Huffington Post blogger Ayo Adeyeye criticized them for labelling a statement by Arianna Huffington that the company Halliburton was "defraud[ing] the American taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars" as half-true, instead of fully true. [15]

Rachel Maddow has criticized PolitiFact for claiming she denied a budget shortfall in Wisconsin. She later played a clip showing that she did in fact acknowledge that Wisconsin was having a budget shortfall and requested that PolitiFact issue a correction, which they ultimately refused. [16] [17]




BanthaSamantha -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 7:19:07 PM)

Personally, I (along with MasterSlaveLA, apparently) hold Politifact.com in very high regard and consider it a source of fair-mind analysis.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 7:31:54 PM)

 
And yet, all the left-tards LOVED and DEFENDED PolitiFact when it came to Michele Bachmann.  But oh nooooooo... when the SAME organization shows Baroccoli O'Fuckhead's lies, then they're to be ignored.  What fucking hypocrites!!! [8|]





Hillwilliam -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 8:02:01 PM)

And some people spend so much time shrieking and flinging poo thru the cage bars that they are respected and believed about as much as a rhesus monkey at the zoo. [:D]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 8:05:49 PM)

 
Might wanna wash the "poo" off your hands.  [:D]





tazzygirl -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 8:24:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha

Personally, I (along with MasterSlaveLA, apparently) hold Politifact.com in very high regard and consider it a source of fair-mind analysis.


Click on the ruling to see all of Obama's statements for that ruling.
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Pants on Fire4

Romney's statements by ruling
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Republican from Texas


I had to post the results for those running for office at this time.




BanthaSamantha -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 8:32:59 PM)

Ooh, I missed Huntsman. Add him to the list along with Ron Paul.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Explaining Mitt Romney’s dishonesty (11/25/2011 8:33:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Click on the ruling to see all of Obama's statements for that ruling.

True (79)
Mostly True (74)
Half True (79)
Mostly False (41)
False (51)
Pants on Fire (4)



So 249 mistruths to flat out fucking lies for the lying scum bag, Baroccoli O'Liar.


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