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Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/26/2011 7:10:39 PM

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http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/24/zakaria-what-america-has-to-be-thankful-for/?hpt=hp_bn4

The basic premise is that Greece has been a welfare state for its life. People have no work ethic, they have no issue with living on borrowed money, and the country does not really produce anything.

While conservatives have been complaining that the US has been moving in that direction, there's no question that our fundamentals are much stronger than Greece's.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 7:04:24 AM

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http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/24/zakaria-what-america-has-to-be-thankful-for/?hpt=hp_bn4

The basic premise is that Greece has been a welfare state for its life. People have no work ethic, they have no issue with living on borrowed money, and the country does not really produce anything.

While conservatives have been complaining that the US has been moving in that direction, there's no question that our fundamentals are much stronger than Greece's.

And there is no question that are fundamentals are being weakened by the current administration, and the profligate spending of the last 50 years. Where Greece should be in our rear view mirror, it is, unfortunately, just beyond the reach of our headlights. The GOP has been trying to put the brakes on, but its hard to stop driving on the deep pack of Democrat ice.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 8:27:29 AM

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Um. I agree with most of your post, but Goldwater is the last prominent GOP fiscal conservative in my memory. Once Reagan decided that deficits don't matter, the GOP began to act like kids in a candy store. Hell, Bush II even tried to keep the Iraq and Afghani wars off the books to make it look like we weren't really spending on them.

The traditional way of doing business was was that if you as a conservative was opposed to my liberal plan to build massive recycling plants, I'd put one of the bigger ones in your state to buy you off. Saying that ANYONE has tried to hold back spending is ridiculous. There's been some token opposition, all on ideological grounds, but nobody's saying that the Emperor has no clothes and we can't keep going into increasing debt forever.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 9:01:09 AM

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Um. I agree with most of your post, but Goldwater is the last prominent GOP fiscal conservative in my memory. Once Reagan decided that deficits don't matter, the GOP began to act like kids in a candy store. Hell, Bush II even tried to keep the Iraq and Afghani wars off the books to make it look like we weren't really spending on them.

The traditional way of doing business was was that if you as a conservative was opposed to my liberal plan to build massive recycling plants, I'd put one of the bigger ones in your state to buy you off. Saying that ANYONE has tried to hold back spending is ridiculous. There's been some token opposition, all on ideological grounds, but nobody's saying that the Emperor has no clothes and we can't keep going into increasing debt forever.

I am talking present, not past. The Tea Party and their influence on the GOP is quite literally our last best hope. And Reagan didnt decide "Deficits dont matter". He trusted the Dems to live up to their promises for spending cuts. They didnt.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 9:25:45 AM

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The basic premise is that Greece has been a welfare state for its life. People have no work ethic, they have no issue with living on borrowed money, and the country does not really produce anything.

Whaddaya mean Greece doesnt produce anything? ya call giving us Ouzo and hummus and those great olives not producing anything???

Ok, he says ”Discussion of dysfunction and decline now dominate the national conversation.”

"And call your Congress member to tell him or her to stop stalling and start actually doing something.”

And I gotta say I agree with him on that, ya’ll get waaaaay too caught up in politics all the time... projects get put on hold cuz there’s an election in a year?!??!! WTF? The politicians dont get any real work done cuz they are too busy kissing asses trying get themselves re-elected...

I am glad I dont have a TV!!!.. maybe ya’ll should be gettin rid of yers..

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 9:47:59 AM

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Whaddaya mean Greece doesnt produce anything? ya call giving us Ouzo and hummus and those great olives not producing anything???

Hummus greek? uhhhh, no.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 9:54:53 AM

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Hummus greek? uhhhh, no.

Don't object, or someone will bring up retsina.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 10:03:34 AM

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Whaddaya mean Greece doesnt produce anything? ya call giving us Ouzo and hummus and those great olives not producing anything???

Hummus greek? uhhhh, no.

dam.. i always thought it was greek.. ok, so i stand corrected then.. Greece has given us ouzo and greek olives... surely that should still be enough, shouldnt it?

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 10:45:28 AM

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Whaddaya mean Greece doesnt produce anything? ya call giving us Ouzo and hummus and those great olives not producing anything???

Hummus greek? uhhhh, no.

dam.. i always thought it was greek.. ok, so i stand corrected then.. Greece has given us ouzo and greek olives... surely that should still be enough, shouldnt it?

Now that youre down to 50/50...one horrible and one ok, nope, not enough.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 1:32:27 PM

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dam.. i always thought it was greek.. ok, so i stand corrected then.. Greece has given us ouzo and greek olives... surely that should still be enough, shouldnt it?

Now that youre down to 50/50...one horrible and one ok, nope, not enough.

well.. technically, i never claimed they were both good..

but some masochists must be drinking that shit..

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 1:38:14 PM

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dam.. i always thought it was greek.. ok, so i stand corrected then.. Greece has given us ouzo and greek olives... surely that should still be enough, shouldnt it?

Now that youre down to 50/50...one horrible and one ok, nope, not enough.

well.. technically, i never claimed they were both good..

but some masochists must be drinking that shit..

Its like somebody tried to make absinthe and fucked up the recipe.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 1:50:54 PM

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Um. I agree with most of your post, but Goldwater is the last prominent GOP fiscal conservative in my memory. Once Reagan decided that deficits don't matter, the GOP began to act like kids in a candy store. Hell, Bush II even tried to keep the Iraq and Afghani wars off the books to make it look like we weren't really spending on them.

The traditional way of doing business was was that if you as a conservative was opposed to my liberal plan to build massive recycling plants, I'd put one of the bigger ones in your state to buy you off. Saying that ANYONE has tried to hold back spending is ridiculous. There's been some token opposition, all on ideological grounds, but nobody's saying that the Emperor has no clothes and we can't keep going into increasing debt forever.

Stephen, are recycling plants "owned" by the federal govt?
They're very profitable to own.
They grind up tires and use them to build roads and other things.
And aluminum is very profitable! It's very expensive to make aluminum that's why those plants are always close to power plants because they require tremendous amounts of power to run.
If you already have the recycled aluminum coming into your recycling plant for "free" (minus the expense of trucks, workers etc) that's a huge bonus.
I would think that cos. like "Waste Management" and the like would want to be solidly in that area of business plus they have the expertise to run those plants.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 1:51:18 PM

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Um. I agree with most of your post, but Goldwater is the last prominent GOP fiscal conservative in my memory. Once Reagan decided that deficits don't matter, the GOP began to act like kids in a candy store. Hell, Bush II even tried to keep the Iraq and Afghani wars off the books to make it look like we weren't really spending on them.

The traditional way of doing business was was that if you as a conservative was opposed to my liberal plan to build massive recycling plants, I'd put one of the bigger ones in your state to buy you off. Saying that ANYONE has tried to hold back spending is ridiculous. There's been some token opposition, all on ideological grounds, but nobody's saying that the Emperor has no clothes and we can't keep going into increasing debt forever.

I am talking present, not past. The Tea Party and their influence on the GOP is quite literally our last best hope. And Reagan didnt decide "Deficits dont matter". He trusted the Dems to live up to their promises for spending cuts. They didnt.

In my present, the house, which is responsible for spendsing, has presided over the largest deficit in our nations history, so Obi Wan, the republicans are not our best hope.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 1:54:52 PM

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popeye, that was a hypothetical example showing how Congresspeople used earmarks to buy votes for projects that otherwise would not have happened. The government previously was set up to spend money. Now it is set up to block spending. In neither case was the good of the nation the criterion used to determine spending or lack of - it's been pork and politics.

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RE: Fareed Zakaria holds out hope. - 11/27/2011 4:13:18 PM

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Whaddaya mean Greece doesnt produce anything? ya call giving us Ouzo and hummus and those great olives not producing anything???

Their Olives are pretty awesome.

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