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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 5:14:26 PM   
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Apparently you still dont know how the Federal Government works. I care about how she votes, but not about her thoughts on health care if such a vague and meaningless statistic is what stands out to the OP.


Sure I do. What you don't GET or RESPECT is the right of people within their Senate or Congressional  District TO FIRST ELECT SOMEONE TO REPRESENT THEM. Not California in other words.... Why be an ass about it though? Scott Brown gets his ass kicked whether he goes up against Warren, DeFranco, or my fucking DOG for that matter... So why waste your breath? Or are you posturing for another bet?
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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 5:17:10 PM   
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Same thing I have done in every other thread for the past 4 1/2 years. Your memory is about as strong as your grasp on the structure of the Federal government apparently.


You were waxing as the all time expert on healthcare back in the spring when I joined here. Riiiiiigggght


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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 6:35:04 PM   
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A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that a plurality of an estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care;[73] the same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).[74]


Not surprising. How many did they kill ?

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 6:41:55 PM   
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Same thing I have done in every other thread for the past 4 1/2 years. Your memory is about as strong as your grasp on the structure of the Federal government apparently.


You were waxing as the all time expert on healthcare back in the spring when I joined here. Riiiiiigggght



I know a lot about it, but I never said anything about it having enough to do with my company to have a "vested interest" in it. Nice backpedal, but still a fail.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 7:07:34 PM   
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A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that a plurality of an estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care;[73] the same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).[74]


Not surprising. How many did they kill ?

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:02:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it necessary to add that the USA is the only advanced country where medically-induced bankruptcy occurs?

To put that another way, every other Western country has solved/abolished this problem completely, almost always through State-run National Health Schemes that cost far less than the US healthcare system does.

In short, if the US adopted similar measures, it would better off in terms of healthcare delivery, balance of payments and cost to the bottom line.

All gain and no pain. Such a no-brainer a ten year old with average intelligence would work out it's better than the current US system.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:04:53 PM   
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To put that another way, every other Western country has solved/abolished this problem completely, almost always through State-run National Health Schemes that cost far less than the US healthcare system does.


The counter argument to that is that its our system that finances most of the new technology. Its not my argument, just one I have seen.

Sorry tweak, I pulled the wrong sentence.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:19:36 PM   
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I know a lot about it, but I never said anything about it having enough to do with my company to have a "vested interest" in it. Nice backpedal, but still a fail.


Backpedal, Oh, I think not. If someone asked and/or challenged what my area of interest was and suggested it was professional in nature, I would spend less time bullshitting and correct them by saying "Nope, I work as a Private IT Specialist and service my own clientele" something simple not a convoluted series of empty statements.
 


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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:21:18 PM   
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Is it necessary to add that the USA is the only advanced country where medically-induced bankruptcy occurs?


Yes, if the bankruptcy lawyers are to be insured their pay-off for looking the other way.



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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:27:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		So anyway, I have no interest in dragging this thread off course. I can accept Willbe prefers a phonied up 'posture' and be done with that....
Now .. I have a question for the OP.
kali ... Have you looked at all at this Marisa DeFranco? She's getting around well in the Boston area, but I can't tell if she is even known to folks to the south and west.  have you checked out her platform, etc?
I still think I like Warren ... but the thing is that DeFranco is a small business woman (Immigration law) who seems to have a fair understanding of small business without being struck with a teabag.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:35:02 PM   
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The counter argument to that is that its our system that finances most of the new technology. Its not my argument, just one I have seen.




The existence of successful medical technology research and development (R & D) industries in Europe (esp Germany) Japan and Australia would seem to reduce whatever impact that counter-argument has.

Whether this point has any relevance at all would appear to depend on the extent to which medical R & D is financed by US healthcare companies against all other sources, and whether adequate alternative financing arrangements for R & D are possible or not. Unless the healthcare companies are responsible for the overwhelming majority of R & D finance, and alternative arrangements are impossible (most improbable, other countries don't appear to have insuperable issues here), the weight one ought attach to this argument appears limited to me.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 8:50:41 PM   
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Is it necessary to add that the USA is the only advanced country where medically-induced bankruptcy occurs?

To put that another way, every other Western country has solved/abolished this problem completely, almost always through State-run National Health Schemes that cost far less than the US healthcare system does.

In short, if the US adopted similar measures, it would better off in terms of healthcare delivery, balance of payments and cost to the bottom line.

All gain and no pain. Such a no-brainer a ten year old with average intelligence would work out it's better than the current US system.


While she's busy debunking myths, why doesnt the Professor debunk the lie about the prevalence of medical bankruptcies? Her own study on the issue is so ridiculously flawed that Harvard should be embarassed to have their name associated with it.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/27/2011 9:11:16 PM   
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Is it necessary to add that the USA is the only advanced country where medically-induced bankruptcy occurs?

To put that another way, every other Western country has solved/abolished this problem completely, almost always through State-run National Health Schemes that cost far less than the US healthcare system does.

In short, if the US adopted similar measures, it would better off in terms of healthcare delivery, balance of payments and cost to the bottom line.

All gain and no pain. Such a no-brainer a ten year old with average intelligence would work out it's better than the current US system.


well I want a national PAY MY FUCKING MORTGAGE OFF system since so many people went bankrupt over mortgages and inflation.


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The statistics show that Chapter 7 bankruptcy filings are rising faster than the more complex Chapter 13 filings. While the latter requires individuals to repay a substantial portion of their debt and prevents banks from foreclosing on their homes, Chapter 7 bankruptcy allows a debtor to wipe out his or her debts entirely and get a fresh start. "It is very fast and very deep debt restructuring," says Porter. Since 2005, Chapter 13 filings have dropped from about 35% of all personal bankruptcy filings to 25%, she says. "Systemically, that's a big change." That change suggests that more home owners are simply walking away from their mortgages, rather than attempting to make payments, especially during a recession with record-high long-term unemployment. "Chapter 13 was designed for regular economic times when people might lose their jobs and fall behind on their mortgage for three to four months, but having found a new job they would be able to use the Chapter 13 process to keep their homes," says Porter, noting that even during normal economic times only 1 in 3 Chapter 13 bankruptcy filings results in the individual's successful meeting of payment obligations.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1977728,00.html#ixzz1eyQQdSOe



what do ya think eh?  They ruin the economy the least they can do is pay the fucking bills doncha think?





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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 12:17:57 AM   
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Yes, if the bankruptcy lawyers are to be insured their pay-off for looking the other way.


Something is wrong here. My lawyers knew EXACTLY what I intended to do. What's more in a criminal case I would tell my lawyer straight out "Yes I did it, now how do we get me off ? ".

Like the thing with the milk. Those Chymies couldn't litigate their way out of a paper bag. No moxy at all. No way I would pay for that.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 5:25:44 AM   
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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 5:41:57 AM   
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Her own study on the issue is so ridiculously flawed that Harvard should be embarassed to have their name associated with it.


Please point out the errors.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 5:45:20 AM   
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kali ... Have you looked at all at this Marisa DeFranco? She's getting around well in the Boston area, but I can't tell if she is even known to folks to the south and west.  have you checked out her platform, etc?


I am of course aware that there are other candidates, but EW really resonates with me. EW has good name recognition - everyone I've mentioned her to is familiar with her, including people in other states such as WV and FL. This is the first time Marisa DeFranco's name has come up in conversation.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 8:04:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some of what she says is true, but there are a few things I like to point out. First off she is talking about what is called Major Medical Insurance. This is what most people have, in medical insurance. What I have seen, is most people go for the low monthly payment. However they fail to understand that there is also a deductable, the rule is low monthly payment, high deductable and vise versa. They don't realize that yes they are covered but there is going to be a large bill because of the deductable. Major medical is mostly accident/health, meaning your covered for accidents and general health issuses. Most policies do not cover things like Cancer and long term care. Most think of long term care as the skilled nursing facility you go to when your old and bed ridden. That is not so, it can mean a visitiing home nurse, long tern phyiscal therapy etc. As an insurance agent, I review the major medical policies as well as supplemental policies and why they need them. As to the Adminstrative cost, by California law and most other states, 80 cents of each dollar of medical insurance goes to treatment, Obama wants 85 cents. Why so much on Adminstrative costs? Ask the government, they has so many forms that have to be filled out, a admission packet at any hospital is about 3 to 5 inches thick on forms that the government is requires.

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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 8:42:22 AM   
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Who the fuck is Professor Warren and why should we care? Especially with a meaningless statistic like that standing out?

Well as they say about later-in-life birthdays... considering the alternative, I look forward to another. What makes the few people you may have chosen to reference...superior ? Is it because you agree with them ?

As for the OP. of course you are correct. In America's unique brand of profiteering, it is actually preferable to get the best care and then...fuck 'em, practitioners like S & L savers in the past, are after all...just being greedy. So they deduct those losses and raise their fees.

The problem is hidden within the resulting increase in your premiums and most everybody's premium due to insuring healthcare inflation in practitioners attempt to recoup those loses.


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RE: Professor Warren Debunks A Few Healthcare Myths - 11/28/2011 8:51:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		The change in 13s cannot necessarily be attibuted to walking away from mortgages, at least not completely. Since the banko laws were amended in 2006 or so, a filer has to go through a means test to determine which chapter they file under. If they have income above a certain level and can make payments, they have to file a 13. The fact that more people are going 7 probably has more to do with high unemployment
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The statistics show that Chapter 7 bankruptcy filings are rising faster than the more complex Chapter 13 filings. While the latter requires individuals to repay a substantial portion of their debt and prevents banks from foreclosing on their homes, Chapter 7 bankruptcy allows a debtor to wipe out his or her debts entirely and get a fresh start. "It is very fast and very deep debt restructuring," says Porter. Since 2005, Chapter 13 filings have dropped from about 35% of all personal bankruptcy filings to 25%, she says. "Systemically, that's a big change." That change suggests that more home owners are simply walking away from their mortgages, rather than attempting to make payments, especially during a recession with record-high long-term unemployment. "Chapter 13 was designed for regular economic times when people might lose their jobs and fall behind on their mortgage for three to four months, but having found a new job they would be able to use the Chapter 13 process to keep their homes," says Porter, noting that even during normal economic times only 1 in 3 Chapter 13 bankruptcy filings results in the individual's successful meeting of payment obligations.
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