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marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 9:33:55 AM   
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Does he have a chance or is the employer always right?


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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 9:40:38 AM   
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It would seem that selling sniper scopes to PAKISTAN is a little fucking "unbalanced" don't you think?


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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 9:44:34 AM   
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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 9:52:11 AM   
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Whistle blowers always get screwed.


There is no "whistle blowing" involved, and it isnt even clear whether McCreight has any authority or was just a co-worker. Theres nothing here so far.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 9:54:28 AM   
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Whistle blowers always get screwed.


There is no "whistle blowing" involved, and it isnt even clear whether McCreight has any authority or was just a co-worker. Theres nothing here so far.

It depends on if the allegations are true or false. If they are false then its defamation and BAE is in for it.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 9:57:38 AM   
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Does he have a chance or is the employer always right?


Indeed he has both a chance and the right. Unfortunately this Marine to my knowledge has not availed himself to the Marine Corps League and at this time does not have access to its data bases but within those data bases are hundreds and hundreds of companies that at one time or another had policies against hiring former Marines. Companies that have fought and lost case after case in court rooms not only in this country but all over the world.

Even President Roosevelt’s wife headed movements after the Second World War to not allow Marine Raiders; (Battalions that were disbanded at the end of the second.) back into the country.

Certainly this Marine has support, support of far greater significance then legal representation or the courts of this land if he will only align himself with his brothers.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 10:03:39 AM   
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Even President Roosevelt’s wife headed movements after the Second World War to not allow Marine Raiders; (Battalions that were disbanded at the end of the second.) back into the country.

Her eldest son was a Raider and her longtime bodyguard was a former Raider. I have no idea who told you this slanderous nonsense about Eleanor Roosevelt but it's bullshit.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 10:08:23 AM   
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Her eldest son was a Raider and her longtime bodyguard was a former Raider. I have no idea who told you this slanderous nonsense about Eleanor Roosevelt but it's bullshit.

You of course were among them so you have first hand knowledge, I hope that is from where you speaak.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 10:14:27 AM   
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There. Are you happy now or would you care to spread some more bullshit?

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 10:15:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arienos
Even President Roosevelt’s wife headed movements after the Second World War to not allow Marine Raiders; (Battalions that were disbanded at the end of the second.) back into the country.

Her eldest son was a Raider and her longtime bodyguard was a former Raider. I have no idea who told you this slanderous nonsense about Eleanor Roosevelt but it's bullshit.


Funny shit,eh Ken....couldit be that Eleanor did not love her eldest son....lol.Some of the best comedy happens right here on these pages,it would be interesting to hear what htis poster was referring to when he mentioned "headed movements...to not allow Marine Raiders.....back into the country".For instance on what basis and what grounds would such a "movement",in this fantasy,be based?

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 10:16:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think in this case he does have a chance because the people who didn't hire him told him what was said and by whom. That's usually not the case. He'll need to prove he doesn't have a drinking problem or mental instability.

In May 2011, Meyer gave his two weeks notice to BAE Systems and applied to return to Ausgar Technologies. He was approved by the U.S. government for the job, but the Ausgar hiring manager informed Meyer that he would not be hired because of allegations made by [BAE Systems manager Bobby McCreight, his former co-worker]

If he doesn't get rehired and can prove these allegations are false, he may have a case for slander, IIRC; perhaps someone will outline what one needs to do to prive slander.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 10:41:06 AM   
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I was able to find a hint of controversy about the Raiders (but nothing but favorable connections to Mrs. Roosevelt):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Raiders#Disbandment

...There was also institutional opposition to the existence of an elite force within the already elite Corps. Two senior officers who had been opposed to the Raiders on this basis advanced to positions where they could abolish the units. On 1 January 1944, Gen. Alexander Vandegrift became Commandant of the Marine Corps, and Gen. Gerald C. Thomas became the Director of Plans and Policies.

The previous Director of Plans and Policies had already proposed to disband the Raiders and the Paramarines as "handpicked outfits...detrimental to morale of other troops." Admiral Ernest King, Chief of Naval Operations, concurred in the proposal, and Vandegrift ordered the change on 8 January 1944...

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 11:06:32 AM   
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Well THAT would get ya called MUCH worse in here.

"But today Meyer, 23, is having trouble getting a job because of allegations by defense contractor BAE Systems that he has a drinking problem and is mentally unstable. Meyer filed legal papers Monday claiming the allegations were in retaliation for objections he raised about BAE's alleged decision to sell high-tech sniper scopes to the Pakistani military."

And as our very own neo-cons point out taking a stance against corporate greed qualifies you to be called all manner of insulting epithets.. just do a search on any of their names and the text strings "OWS" or "Occupy".

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 12:07:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

http://news.yahoo.com/marine-won-medal-honor-fights-allegations-mentally-unstable-171346866.html

Does he have a chance or is the employer always right?
Which employer? BAE or Ausgar?

He will have a very difficult time proving a case against BAE because it is based on hearsay.
He will have a hard time getting a job at Ausgar if a job offer is normally done via an "At will" state sub.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 12:35:42 PM   
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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 1:26:49 PM   
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There is no "whistle blowing" involved, and it isnt even clear whether McCreight has any authority or was just a co-worker. Theres nothing here so far.


Fuck the whole "whistle blowing" concept. If a potential employer calls BAE and they're telling them the guy has a dependency and a psyche record... The man has a case worth investigation.
Besides, taking a stand against a Corporation engaged in selling weaponry to shitheads who hate America and the West in general isn't really often against any law.
  Doesn't make what the young marine did any less courageous. He took one for the Corps in Iraq, And took one for them (and us) again when he got home. Seems to be a recurring theme lately. Guess you can't switch valor off like a lamp.




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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 1:38:19 PM   
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Which employer? BAE or Ausgar?

He will have a very difficult time proving a case against BAE because it is based on hearsay.


Nonsense... if this McCreight was employed by BAE at the time he made remarks such as that to any potential employer willing to state as much under oath, and it's the basis for the hiring manager turning him down... Throw 'Hearsay' around all you want. Lawyers bring cases on this basis all the time. He won't have to ever go to the stage of a judge determining if the evidence submitted is hearsay. They'll have loads of fun posturing that way, but in the end they'll settle.

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He will have a hard time getting a job at Ausgar if a job offer is normally done via an "At will" state sub.


Whatchya wanna bet someone sees this who can exert influence on both washinton and the employer and prevails on his behalf?


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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 1:45:58 PM   
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Which employer? BAE or Ausgar?

He will have a very difficult time proving a case against BAE because it is based on hearsay.


Nonsense... if this McCreight was employed by BAE at the time he made remarks such as that to any potential employer willing to state as much under oath, and it's the basis for the hiring manager turning him down... Throw 'Hearsay' around all you want. Lawyers bring cases on this basis all the time. He won't have to ever go to the stage of a judge determining if the evidence submitted is hearsay. They'll have loads of fun posturing that way, but in the end they'll settle.
It would take a single motion from BEA to get the case tossed out.

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He will have a hard time getting a job at Ausgar if a job offer is normally done via an "At will" state sub.

Whatchya wanna bet someone sees this who can exert influence on both washinton and the employer and prevails on his behalf?
Won't happen.
Same reason why no Medal of Honor recipient stays in the armed forces in a capacity similar to that marine.

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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 2:38:30 PM   
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It would take a single motion from BEA to get the case tossed out.


I disagree.



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RE: marine's ex employer slanders him - 11/30/2011 2:53:11 PM   
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Won't happen.
Same reason why no Medal of Honor recipient stays in the armed forces in a capacity similar to that marine.


Sorry, I won't play guessing games or deal in the vagueries. If there's a point here, make it.
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